To clarify, I think this proposal is not seeking to add support for a
subscription rate limiter. That support was added in 2018 [0]. It is
instead seeking to make it possible to override the broker's configs
for dispatch rate limiting per subscription [1].

> On the client side, subscriptions have different max-process-capacity.
> If the dispatch rate is too large, they may crush their downstream services.

Out of my own curiosity, will you explain why the existing
`receiverQueueSize` configuration is not sufficient for protecting
against the kind of over consumption? I would have expected that
config to provide the necessary back pressure to protect applications,
and I wouldn't expect rate limiting the subscription to be the
recommended way to protect consumers.

Thanks,
Michael

[0] https://github.com/apache/pulsar/pull/1358
[1] 
https://github.com/apache/pulsar/blob/ec3821176612621e24dfbc4345525849a729fb06/pulsar-broker-common/src/main/java/org/apache/pulsar/broker/ServiceConfiguration.java#L881-L892

On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 12:58 PM Joe F <j...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> -1
>
> The rate limits that are currently in place are there to protect the Pulsar
> service,  to manage  multi-tenancy on the broker. This is not  meant as a
> feature to  manage demand side throttling.
>
> In my opinion,  this is best done as a client side feature. There is no
> need to add complexity  to  the broker to manage demand side throttling.
> Just throttle demand on the client side.
>
>
>
> -joe
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 7:54 PM Zixuan Liu <node...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Zixuan
> >
> > mattison chao <mattisonc...@gmail.com> 于2022年4月12日周二 09:24写道:
> >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Looks like a very useful feature. Thank you.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Mattison
> > >
> > > On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 at 08:55, PengHui Li <peng...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Penghui
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 9, 2022 at 4:24 PM Haiting Jiang <jianghait...@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Pulsar community,
> > > > >
> > > > > I created a PIP to add support for subscription level dispatch rate
> > > > > limiter setting.
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposal can be found:
> > > https://github.com/apache/pulsar/issues/15094
> > > > >
> > > > > ----
> > > > >
> > > > > ## Motivation
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently, for message dispatch rate limiter in a subscription , we
> > > have
> > > > 3
> > > > > level setting :
> > > > > - Broker level setting: configured with
> > > > > `dispatchThrottlingRatePerSubscriptionInMsg` and
> > > > > `dispatchThrottlingRatePerSubscriptionInByte` in broker.conf
> > > > > - Namespace level setting: configured with
> > > > >
> > `org.apache.pulsar.client.admin.Namespaces#setSubscriptionDispatchRate`
> > > > > - Topic level setting: configured with
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > `org.apache.pulsar.client.admin.TopicPolicies#setSubscriptionDispatchRate`
> > > > >
> > > > > As we all know, in the pub-sub messaging model, different subscriber
> > of
> > > > > the same topic process the messages for various purpose, and they may
> > > > have
> > > > > different requirement of message dispatch rate limiter. Here are some
> > > use
> > > > > case in my organization:
> > > > > - On the client side, subscriptions have different
> > > max-process-capacity.
> > > > > If the dispatch rate is too large, they may crush their downstream
> > > > services.
> > > > > - We are billing base on the max message rate of the subscription.
> > Some
> > > > > are sensitive to budgets and willing to pay less for lower
> > throughput.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ## Goal
> > > > >
> > > > > Support subscription level dispatch rate limiter setting.
> > > > >
> > > > > ## API Changes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Add client api in org.apache.pulsar.client.admin.TopicPolicies.
> > > > > ```
> > > > > void getSubscriptionDispatchRate(String topic, String sub) throws
> > > > > PulsarAdminException;
> > > > > void getSubscriptionDispatchRate(String topic, String sub, boolean
> > > > > applied) throws PulsarAdminException;
> > > > > void setSubscriptionDispatchRate(String topic, String sub,
> > DispatchRate
> > > > > dispatchRate) throws PulsarAdminException;
> > > > > void removeSubscriptionDispatchRate(String topic, String sub) throws
> > > > > PulsarAdminException;
> > > > >
> > > > > //And the async version of these methods.
> > > > >
> > > > > ```
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Add new admin  API
> > > > >
> > > > > ```
> > > > > @PUT @DELETE @GET
> > > > > @Path("/{tenant}/{namespace}/{topic}/{subName}/dispatchRate")
> > > > >
> > > > > ```
> > > > >
> > > > > ## Implementation
> > > > >
> > > > > The rate limiter itself is already implemented with each
> > subscription.
> > > We
> > > > > only need to update the rate limiter settings if subscription level
> > > > config
> > > > > is set.
> > > > > I propose to just add a new field in
> > > > > `org.apache.pulsar.common.policies.data.TopicPolicies` to store the
> > > data.
> > > > > ```
> > > > > private Map<String/*SubName*/, DispatchRateImpl>
> > > > > subscriptionDispatchRateMap;
> > > > > ```
> > > > > And subscription level rate limiter setting has higher priority than
> > > > topic
> > > > > level. We need to calculate the applied value when we create the
> > > > > subscription or any level config is changed.
> > > > >
> > > > > ## Reject Alternatives
> > > > > None yet.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Haiting
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >

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