If there are known critical bugs in 2.9.0, we should be transparent with users (and let them know that it's beta, or at least mention what features are incomplete) if it's going to be announced so trust is not damaged. Although I typically expect x.x.0 releases to be experimental (based on my experience), users without that experience might not realize that it's not yet safe to upgrade production environments to this version.
I'd hope that all users would perform the rigorous testing required to discover any bugs that might appear in their production environments, but if some users trust the Apache releases to be stable, that trust can be damaged if we're not careful. Devin Bost (Sent from mobile) ________________________________ From: Enrico Olivelli <eolive...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 5:29:53 AM To: Dev <dev@pulsar.apache.org> Subject: Re: Status of Pulsar 2.9.0 and starting 2.9.1 Hang, sorry, I wanted to say that I am double checking if people forgot to add "cherry-picked" Enrico Il giorno mer 15 dic 2021 alle ore 13:20 Enrico Olivelli < eolive...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > > Il giorno mer 15 dic 2021 alle ore 12:52 Hang Chen <chenh...@apache.org> > ha scritto: > >> Hi Enrico, >> Thanks for your great work! I found 150+ PR labeled as >> `release/2.9.1`, but doesn't contain in v2.9.1-candidate-1 tag. Does >> those PRs release in next version? >> >> https://github.com/apache/pulsar/pulls?q=is%3Apr+label%3Arelease%2F2.9.1+-label%3Acherry-picked%2Fbranch-2.9+is%3Aclosed >> >> > In theory the answer is "yes", > I am double checking. > it is always an hard task > > Enrico > > >> Thanks, >> Hang >> >> Enrico Olivelli <eolive...@gmail.com> 于2021年12月15日周三 19:19写道： >> > >> > I had prepared the rc1 for 2.9.1 >> > >> > but today I added https://github.com/apache/pulsar/pull/13291 >> > >> > I will create a new RC and send a VOTE, possibly today >> > >> > The first RC will be rc2, in order to not mess up the git repository and >> > the dist area >> > >> > Enrico >> > >> > Il giorno lun 13 dic 2021 alle ore 19:22 Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> >> ha >> > scritto: >> > >> > > Thank you for sharing that! >> > > >> > > I think we should separate discussing a process from finishing a >> release. >> > > In other words, we shouldn't block on a process in order to finish a >> > > release. >> > > >> > > We should use the old process to finish a release while discussing a >> > > process to improve the release notes process. >> > > >> > > - Sijie >> > > >> > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 10:04 AM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote: >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On Dec 13, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > I am fine with doing 2.9.1. >> > > > > >> > > > > I am trying to understand what happened between released 2.9.0 and >> > > > > announcing it. >> > > > > >> > > > > It usually means there is a gap in the release process. We need to >> > > solve >> > > > > the process. If it is RM's responsibility for announcing the >> release, >> > > it >> > > > > should happen as soon as the release was cut. If the RM doesn't >> do it >> > > in >> > > > > time, other committers or PMC members should jump on it to help. >> I feel >> > > > > something was held up somewhere. But I don't know what is going on >> > > there. >> > > > >> > > > See the thread regarding release notes - >> > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/sszycc3zjxkdqd9x5f16108qn0x7w5g1 >> > > > >> > > > Regards, >> > > > Dave >> > > > > >> > > > > - Sijie >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 9:47 AM Chris Herzog >> <cher...@tibco.com.invalid >> > > > >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > >> I'm 100% with Dave. 2.9.0 is released (it's up on Maven), if >> it's not >> > > > >> "announced", that's just a "publicity" effort because the 2.9.0 >> > > release >> > > > is >> > > > >> out there. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 11:34 PM Dave Fisher < >> wave4d...@comcast.net> >> > > > >> wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >>> (1) we have published 2.9.0 at >> > > > >>> https://downloads.apache.org/pulsar/pulsar-2.9.0/ >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> (2) we have published 2.9.0 artifacts through maven central. >> They >> > > don’t >> > > > >>> let anyone republish versions. >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> There are no do overs on versions. We simply cannot redo 2.9.0 >> at >> > > this >> > > > >>> moment. >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> All the best, >> > > > >>> Dave >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> Sent from my iPhone >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 8:49 PM, Sijie Guo <guosi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > > >>>> >> > > > >>>> My take is - if we haven't announced 2.9, I would suggest just >> > > > redoing >> > > > >>> the >> > > > >>>> 2.9.0 release. >> > > > >>>> >> > > > >>>> - Sijie >> > > > >>>> >> > > > >>>>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 6:35 PM Hang Chen < >> chenh...@apache.org> >> > > > >> wrote: >> > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> I am a little confused about why we should skip 2.9.0 and not >> > > > continue >> > > > >>>>> to release 2.9.0 by including the critical bug fixes. In >> fact, the >> > > > >>>>> Pulsar 2.9.0 release is not yet completed. >> > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> For users, they will worry about whether the Pulsar release >> process >> > > > is >> > > > >>>>> standardized if we skip 2.9.0. They will also worry about the >> > > release >> > > > >>>>> quality of Apache Pulsar if we have found the critical bugs >> before >> > > it >> > > > >>>>> is released but not included it into the release version. For >> > > Pulsar >> > > > >>>>> 2.9.0, it couldn't be deployed into the production >> environment due >> > > to >> > > > >>>>> the critical bug https://github.com/apache/pulsar/pull/12993 >> > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> Regards, >> > > > >>>>> Hang >> > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> Dave Fisher <wave4d...@comcast.net> 于2021年12月13日周一 09:40写道： >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> It can be the case that releases are not announced. For >> example >> > > with >> > > > >>>>> Tomcat a version which fails to pass the vote is skipped. >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> Let’s not announce 2.9.0 and go on to 2.9.1. >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> Maybe there’s some website fixes to hide 2.9.0. >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 5:28 PM, PengHui Li <peng...@apache.org >> > >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> Another point is we have not announced the 2.9.0 release >> yet. >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> This will make users feel confused that a new release from >> the >> > > > >> Pulsar >> > > > >>>>>>> community with the >> > > > >>>>>>> serious problem(log4j bug) but after the log4j has fixed the >> > > issue >> > > > >> and >> > > > >>>>>>> provided the new release. >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> I think we'd better contain the fix in 2.9.0 and 2.9.0 also >> has a >> > > > >>>>> critical >> > > > >>>>>>> bug https://github.com/apache/pulsar/pull/12993 >> > > > >>>>>>> which will lead the topic stop to provide services for more >> than >> > > > >> 5min. >> > > > >>>>> It >> > > > >>>>>>> looks like, hey, we have a new release here but >> > > > >>>>>>> it has critical security issues and known serious bugs >> which will >> > > > >>>>> seriously >> > > > >>>>>>> affect the core features. >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> From the perspective of release, yes, the release vote has >> > > closed. >> > > > >> But >> > > > >>>>> I >> > > > >>>>>>> believe that users will not care about this matter, >> > > > >>>>>>> they only care about the quality of the products we >> provided. >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> I would like to hear your views. >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> Regards, >> > > > >>>>>>> Penghui >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 6:26 PM Enrico Olivelli < >> > > > >> eolive...@gmail.com >> > > > >>>> >> > > > >>>>> wrote: >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>> I am starting 2.9.1 on Monday >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>> Enrico >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>> Il Dom 12 Dic 2021, 02:19 陳智弘 <thomasec...@gmail.com> ha >> > > scritto: >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>> Totally agree >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> PengHui Li <peng...@apache.org> 於 2021年12月12日 週日 08:28 >> 寫道： >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Penghui >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Matteo Merli <mme...@apache.org>于2021年12月11日 周六15:28写道： >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> At this point, if 2.9.0 is non stable, I think we should >> > > > >>>>> fast-forward >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> to 2.9.1 which will include security fix. Though, we >> should >> > > > >> start >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> 2.9.1 right now. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Matteo Merli >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> <mme...@apache.org> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 11:23 PM Michael Marshall < >> > > > >>>>>>>>> mmarsh...@apache.org> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 - thanks Enrico. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> - Michael >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 1:11 AM Lari Hotari < >> > > > >> lhot...@apache.org> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> la 11. jouluk. 2021 klo 9.07 Enrico Olivelli < >> > > > >>>>>>>> eolive...@gmail.com> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> kirjoitti: >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello folks, >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yesterday we committed the release notes for 2.9.0. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just have to publish a couple of other artifacts >> and >> > > > update >> > > > >>>>>>>> the >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> website >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> before announcing 2.9.0. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My plan is to complete the procedure next week. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the meantime, early next week, I believe it is >> time to >> > > > >>>>>>>> prepare >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the first >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> RC of 2.9.1, due to the log4j bug. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you are aware of problems on branch-2.9 or things >> to be >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> cherry-picked >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because they are blocker please let me know. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise if branch-2.9 is stable I will cut the RC >> from >> > > > what >> > > > >>>>>>>> we >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> already >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have now. >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am volunteering as RM for 2.9.1 as I followed >> 2.9.0 and >> > > > >>>>>>>> release >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> is >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically non stable due to the bugs we discovered >> after >> > > > >>>>>>>>> completing >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> VOTE and publishing the artifacts to dockerhub and >> Maven >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enrico >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>>>> >> > > > >>>>>> >> > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> -- >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Chris Herzog Messaging Team | O 630 300 7718 | M 815 263 3764 | >> > > > >> www.tibco.com<http://www.tibco.com> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> <http://www.tibco.com/> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> >
