I have no problem with leaving a final copy in markdown, but I definitely
think Google docs are a lower friction method
of doing proposals. I do feel like most folks do not keep design documents
in sync with actual implementations and I
am not sure having them go through a PR process would make that easier.

In general I think this is a "don't fix what isn't broke" situation, the
current setup is good enough and familiar to users of a
lot of other ASF projects. If folks can choose between docs and PR for
proposals I think that's all fine, and I think it's probably
a good idea to have final proposals inside the repo but I wouldn't consider
it critical.

I know Docs are outside ASF, but our whole PR review process is *also*
outside ASF :)

On Thu, Feb 19, 2026 at 8:47 AM Robert Stupp <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think it's worth a try.
>
> I took a stab at listing the proposals on the Polaris website; PR [3835] is
> up.
>
> Robert
>
> [3835] https://github.com/apache/polaris/pull/3835
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2026 at 7:57 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Yufei,
> >
> > I agree with your points and appreciate the collaborative, user-friendly
> > nature of Google Docs.
> >
> > We can certainly continue using Google Docs during the drafting and
> > preparation phases. However, since Google Docs exists outside of the ASF
> > infrastructure, we should ensure the final versions of proposals are
> > exported to and stored in our repository. This ensures they are properly
> > archived within the ASF-managed source system (remember that GitHub is a
> > mirror of GitBox which is ASF managed source repository).
> >
> > I suggest we remain flexible to encourage as many contributions as
> > possible:
> >
> > 1. If a contributor prefers Google Docs for drafting and review, that
> works
> > well. The document can then be exported to the website once it reaches a
> > "final" stage.
> > 2. If a contributor prefers to submit a proposal via a Pull Request in
> > Markdown, that is also acceptable.
> >
> > If there are no objections, I would like to experiment with the Markdown
> > approach for the Delegation Services proposal.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Regards,
> > JB
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 7:55 PM Yufei Gu <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > In my experience, Google Docs works very well for design discussions.
> The
> > > real time collaboration, quick iteration, and low barrier to editing
> make
> > > it much easier to shape ideas, especially in the early stages. Multiple
> > > people can work on a single Google Doc seamlessly, whereas coordinating
> > > edits across one PR with several contributors is not as
> straightforward.
> > > Diagrams are often an important part of proposal discussions. Adding,
> > > editing, and iterating on diagrams is much easier in Google Docs. In a
> PR
> > > workflow, updating diagrams usually requires external tools, and new
> > > commits, which slows down iteration.
> > >
> > > The PR review process also works differently from open design
> > exploration.
> > > Long discussions can quickly accumulate dozens of comments, making the
> > page
> > > slower and harder to navigate. You've probably experienced slow GitHub
> PR
> > > pages when there are 80+ comments. And we would likely need additional
> > > rules around approvals or change requests for proposal docs, which adds
> > > more process overhead.
> > >
> > > I believe Google Docs should remain a valid and practical option for
> > > drafting and collaborative design discussions. I'd love to still keep
> > that
> > > option.
> > >
> > > Yufei
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 17, 2026 at 10:26 AM Dmitri Bourlatchkov <[email protected]
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Robert,
> > > >
> > > > Excellent idea about leveraging the PR review process for proposal
> > docs!
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure we need to spend extra effort to publish proposals on
> the
> > > main
> > > > site (unless it is easy :) ) as long as the contribution guide is
> clear
> > > > about how to find them in GH.
> > > >
> > > > Once a proposal is implemented, the docs will naturally be updated
> with
> > > > corresponding user-facing instructions.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Dmitri.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2026 at 8:41 AM Robert Stupp <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mick brought up a very good point [1] about the use of Google Docs
> > for
> > > > > proposals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Very simplified, our current proposal process is
> > > > > - a contributor creates a Google Doc
> > > > > - the proposal is introduced on [email protected]
> > > > > - discussion happens on both the Google Doc and the dev@ mailing
> > lists
> > > > >
> > > > > Google Docs are a great vehicle for collaboration. Just, I think
> the
> > > > > commentary functionality there is a bit odd.
> > > > > There's also a "disconnect" (or "media break" if you prefer that
> > term)
> > > > > between the discussions that actually count and those that do not
> > > (think:
> > > > > "If it did not happen on the mailing list, it never happened.")
> > > > > The valuable information in those Google Docs gets "lost", as
> there's
> > > no
> > > > > more direct relationship from the code or documentation to a
> proposal
> > > and
> > > > > the discussion that happened on it.
> > > > >
> > > > > We currently do not have a consistent overview of all proposals,
> the
> > > > > activity on those and their status.
> > > > >
> > > > > Technically speaking, proposals could fit pretty well into the
> GitHub
> > > > > pull-request workflow and, once accepted, serve as a reference,
> > provide
> > > > > insight into the agreed on ideas or even serve as documentation.
> > > > >
> > > > > What I am thinking of is a space on the web site that:
> > > > > * lists the current proposals built from a query against open PRs
> > with
> > > > e.g.
> > > > > the 'proposal' label,
> > > > > * lists of closed proposals, closed PRs (dropped ideas or
> > approaches),
> > > > > * list of accepted proposals, merged PRs
> > > > >
> > > > > Moving proposals to PRs containing markdown (or asciidoc), would
> > close
> > > > the
> > > > > "media break" and fix nicely with "it happened on the mailing
> list."
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to not go into the technical details or where the
> proposals
> > > > would
> > > > > live in this discussion, but rather get your thoughts about the
> idea
> > in
> > > > > general.
> > > > > Just so much: GitHub has a good edit functionality with a live
> > markdown
> > > > > preview as a split view [2].
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Robert
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/dnvfck8owpz0z1n1f93mnjm2nlcjp3ym
> > > > > [2] https://github.dev/apache/polaris/blob/main/README.md
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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