Hello folks,

Bumping this thread following the community sync.

Summary of what was discussed during the sync:
* We do want to provide Polaris users with a way to run temporary Polaris
servers during their integration tests.
* This validates one of the main goals of the Apprunner proposal [1]: be
usable by Maven projects as well as Gradle projects.
* The current proposal is based on prior work from Nessie, works with both
Maven and Gradle, and offers substantial improvements over alternatives
like testcontainers in CI.
* Given that a solution based on Gradle ExecFork or Gretty would only serve
Polaris devs, and would not be usable by users, it does not seems to be a
good fit for the overarching goal.
* Some companies who deploy Polaris forbid the use of Docker, which
prevents the use of testcontainers.

[1] https://github.com/apache/polaris-tools/pull/18/

Based on these elements, it seems that the current Apprunner plugins should
be evaluated for integration in the polaris-tools repository.  Now before
calling for a formal review cycle, it would be good to have more feedback
on the proposal, if certain aspects have not been considered yet.

Wdyt?

--

Pierre


On Mon, Jun 9, 2025 at 1:36 AM Yufei Gu <flyrain...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the late reply.
>
> Could you clarify why you think that?  It is a bit hard to provide answers
> > to such feedback.
>
> What I meant is that the PR [1] seems to provide a lot more than just
> Polaris related logic, which isn't a concern of the Polaris project. It's
> fine if it is trying to be a generic gradle plugin to allow start and end a
> server easily, but it could be somewhere else. Can we focus on the
> functionalities related to Polaris?
>
> For example, here are two options. Both seem to cover our requirements
> here, while Gretty is easier to use. Can we explore them?
>
>    1. ExecFork[2], which runs any Java / shell process in the background
>    2. Gretty[3], a Jetty / Tomcat dev-server with start/stop tasks
>
>
> [1]. https://github.com/apache/polaris-tools/pull/18
> [2]. https://github.com/psxpaul/gradle-execfork-plugin
> [3]. https://github.com/gretty-gradle-plugin/gretty
>
>
> Yufei
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2025 at 12:44 AM Pierre Laporte <pie...@pingtimeout.fr>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, May 29, 2025 at 7:40 PM Yufei Gu <flyrain...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm supportive if it adds value to both Polaris devs and users.
> >
> >
> > Ok thanks, I am glad we have agreement on the initiative, even if we
> still
> > have to discuss the implementation details.
> >
> > But, I don't think the Polaris project is in a position to provide a
> > > generic building infrastructure for integration tests.
> > >
> >
> > Could you clarify why you think that?  It is a bit hard to provide
> answers
> > to such feedback.
> >
> > Can we list use cases the plugin tries to cover? I'd be happy to have a
> > > discussion session if needed.
> > >
> >
> > I believe I have listed the main high-level features in my first e-mail.
> > Are you referring to something else?
> >
> > Pierre
> >
>

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