yes, fully aware of many of these points.  i'll continue to contribute 
when/where able.

TIA


Stanton Fisque
principal technologist
latticeware.com
portland, oregon

> On Mar 3, 2023, at 10:53 AM, PJ Fanning <fannin...@yahoo.com.INVALID> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Hamza and Stanton for expressing an interest in contributing to POI.
> 
> For newbies, the best place to start is 
> https://poi.apache.org/devel/index.html
> 
> The documentation is basic but the tools we use are well documented on the 
> web. Subversion, Git, Gradle.
> 
> If you any specific questions, the POI 'user' mailing list might be the best 
> place to ask as the 'dev' list has a lot of automated emails on it that can 
> obscure emails from real people with questions.
> 
> There is a big backlog of issues in Bugzilla [1]. We get some issues raised 
> that have good descriptions but we get lots that are not very well described 
> or that are raised due to misunderstandings as to what the POI lib does.
> 
> We don't have a road map. If you have any ideas about features that are 
> missing, raise Bugzilla issues where they can be discussed.
> 
> I'm afraid that I don't think POI is the sort of code base that you want to 
> dive into unless you have a vested interest in getting a particular problem 
> solved.
> 
> 
> 
> [1] 
> https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?bug_status=__open__&list_id=203815&order=changeddate%20DESC%2Cpriority%2Cbug_severity&product=POI&query_format=specific
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday 3 March 2023 at 17:18:48 GMT+1, stanton fisque <sfis...@gmail.com> 
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> i am not a PMC member, BUT as one of the multitude of contributors interested 
> in the liveliness of POI, i am curious what is involved with keeping this 
> project alive and moving (even if it is at a modest rate)?
> 
> 
> Stanton Fisque
> principal technologist
> latticeware.com
> portland, oregon
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2023, at 08:14 AM, Hamza Gobir <hgo...@googlemail.com.INVALID> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm interested on working on tickets but I'm having issues setting up my
>> Dev environment.
>> 
>> Are there any resources you can point me to?
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 3 Mar 2023, 14:26 PJ Fanning, <fannin...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> Apologies if anyone thinks I'm going in the wrong direction here. The TLDR
>>> is: I am asking if PMC members could respond with whether they are still
>>> interested in working on POI or if they are no longer in a position to help.
>>> 
>>> There appears to only be a couple of POI PMC members that are active at
>>> this stage (on mailing lists, dealing with bugzilla, Github commits, etc.).
>>> 
>>> I'm not seeking anything drastic like considering retiring POI (aka moving
>>> to the Attic). It is suggested in ASF guidelines that mature projects
>>> occasionally do a Roll Call [1]. There doesn't appear to be many people
>>> that we could look to invite to become committers or PMC members.
>>> 
>>> I'm interested in continuing but would like to cut back my involvement. I
>>> am involved in a few other ASF projects and want to concentrate on those.
>>> 
>>> Even if we do have a few active PMC members, we might want to consider
>>> guide lines on what sort of code changes to make and how often we intend to
>>> do releases.
>>> 
>>> The code base is very large and I have to admit some of patches that I
>>> merge that are submitted by outside contributors - that I don't know that
>>> part of the code base well and am reliant on the test coverage to pick up
>>> issues. And we have a lot of code that does not have great test coverage.
>>> Most of the patches come with minimal new tests - there are definitely
>>> exceptions - some of the patches are of very high quality.
>>> 
>>> It's also hard to keep up with new features in Microsoft file formats (ie
>>> new XSDs) and the Java Runtime is being overhauled in ways that may
>>> eventually break some POI code.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> PJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#move-to-attic
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