removed in r1551845
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Yegor Kozlov <[email protected]> wrote: > Do we have a consensus to delete this file from svn ? > > If there are no any other opinions I will do so within 24 hours. > > Yegor > (with POI PMC chair hat on) > > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> >> I am on both the Apache POI and the Apache OpenOffice PMC. Action will be >> taken. >> >> As a producer of PPT and PPTX files along with other Office documents we >> have always done our best to try to consume documents created by any >> producer including OpenOffice.org. I wonder if a PPT produced by the >> current Apache OpenOffice 4 would show this same solved bug. >> >> No doubt a POI developer will remove this test case very soon and it will >> no longer be in our svn and will not be in our next release. True mirrors >> will catch up. >> >> (Have you looked at Apache Solr, Mahout, or Hadoop? You quote a paper >> from Doug Cutting an inventor of Hadoop, which was named after his child's >> top elephant.) >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> On Dec 12, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Nirk Niggler wrote: >> >> > Chris: >> > >> > If you read my reply, you would see that I actually agree with you. If >> > Raiko cannot certify that the file can be distributed under the same >> > license terms as Apache POI, the file should be removed. >> > >> > I asked for clarification because IP issues in academia are rarely >> > clear-cut. For example, if you received a scholarship of any sort (or >> were >> > part of a funded graduate program), exception 5.1.3 would actually apply >> > unless you obtained a written statement as described in section 5.4 (and >> > this would be an exercise in futility) >> > >> > That being said, if you are serious about going down this route, I would >> > also suggest suggest going after others who are hosting the file, such >> as >> > docstoc >> > >> http://www.docstoc.com/docs/24138033/Tagging-with-Hidden-Markov-Models(shared >> > by rbb85147 >> > http://www.docstoc.com/profile/rbb85147) and going after others that >> have >> > publicly available mirrors of POI. A quick search on github reveals a >> few >> > mirrors, including: >> > >> > - >> > >> https://github.com/orione/POI/blob/master/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt >> > - >> > >> https://github.com/samchuang/zkpoi/blob/master/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt >> > - >> > >> https://github.com/tay204/VendorInterface/blob/master/poi-3.9/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Chris Demwell <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Nirk, >> >> >> >> I would like to reiterate that this file is probably of negative value >> to >> >> you: I have mentioned this is *not a Microsoft Office file* and >> therefore >> >> seems unlikely to be a good test case for your project. >> >> >> >> I am disappointed that I have to go into this: regardless of any terms >> of >> >> ownership between SFU and myself, the ASF and the POI project are not >> party >> >> to those terms. In any case, as it happens I'm aware of the terms from >> SFU >> >> and sought such clarification immediately upon enrolment. This content >> was >> >> a talk I gave as part of a special topics discussion course and not as >> >> "homework". The terms can be seen at >> >> http://www.sfu.ca/policies/gazette/research/r30-03.html - >> specifically, >> >> section 5.1 applies: >> >> >> >> "5.1 Although the University has the right to require assignment of an >> >> interest in IP created by a University Member through the use of its >> >> resources, the full ownership of IP and all rights pertaining to >> ownership >> >> are vested in the Creator, unless the Creator has entered into an >> agreement >> >> with the University to the contrary." >> >> >> >> There are several exceptions listed, none of which apply to this file. >> This >> >> is my IP, and more importantly it is not yours, nor Raiko's, nor do you >> >> have license from SFU. Other than that I think we agree about the legal >> >> situation. The waters are not muddy, you do not have license to this >> file. >> >> >> >> Please remove it from your svn history or inform me that you don't >> intend >> >> to do so. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:40 PM, Nirk Niggler <[email protected] >> >>> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Chris: >> >>> >> >>> A cursory google search reveals that this was part of a class project >> and >> >>> is publicly available at >> >>> http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~anoop/courses/CMPT-882-Fall-2002/chris.ppt, >> which >> >>> somewhat muddies the waters (you'd have to get clarification from your >> >>> school regarding the IP rights associated with class homework and >> >> projects). >> >>> >> >>> Eric: >> >>> >> >>> While there is no obvious confidential information in the document, >> the >> >>> original contributor Raiko Eckstein violated the terms of the >> bugzilla < >> >>> https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/createaccount.cgi> >> >>> >> >>>> "Certify that any object code, source code, patch, documentation, >> etc. >> >>> that you may supply to an Apache project can be redistributed under >> the >> >>> same license terms and conditions as the project itself." >> >>> >> >>> That alone should be grounds for removal. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Eric Peters <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> I have nothing to do with the POI Apache project, other than being a >> >> user, >> >>>> never contributed, nor have anything to associate other than being on >> >> this >> >>>> mailing list - but I'd say chill the f*** out. >> >>>> >> >>>> The relative harms for the debug test file is probably negligible, >> and >> >> in >> >>>> the grand scheme of things, its probably not using your IP at all, >> >> rather >> >>>> the factual bytes that were generated by OpenOffice, or usable under >> US >> >>>> Fair Use, as long as the (which is the same/similar file type to MS >> >>>> Powerpoint, which is sort of the point of the example file) >> >>>> >> >>>> Your copyright standpoint on the file, its feasible to recreate the >> PPT >> >> to >> >>>> re-illustrate the failed code, that might have some similarities to >> your >> >>>> original file but not be a byte-by-byte representation of the code, >> and >> >> it >> >>>> wouldn't pass a copyright muster (assuming you even filed for >> copyright >> >>>> protections) >> >>>> >> >>>> Take a deep breath, and find something productive to do. >> >>>> >> >>>> -Eric >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Chris Demwell <[email protected]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Hi, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> In 2007, someone uploaded my IP to your bug tracker in >> >>>>> https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=41357 - that >> >> person >> >>>> did >> >>>>> not have license to use my IP, and therefore you also do not. You >> >>>> continue >> >>>>> to host that file in your svn: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >> >> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/poi/trunk/test-data/slideshow/PictureLengthZero.ppt- >> >>>>> please remove it from your svn history. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I would also point out that someone sending you a file to help you >> >>>> solve a >> >>>>> bug does not automatically or implicitly grant the legal right to >> use >> >>>> the >> >>>>> file for any other purpose, store, and certainly not republish the >> >> file. >> >>>>> You are likely illegally republishing other files as part of the >> test >> >>>>> directory in your svn and I humbly suggest that your only course of >> >>>> action >> >>>>> is to remove those files that you do not explicitly know that you >> are >> >>>>> licensed to redistribute. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Much more collegially, that PPT was an export from OpenOffice.org >> (ie, >> >>>> not >> >>>>> created by MS Powerpoint) and therefore may not be an appropriate >> test >> >>>> file >> >>>>> for your project. I'm sorry if this has caused you any consternation >> >> in >> >>>>> designing or maintaining your project. Thanks for your contributions >> >> to >> >>>>> open source software - while I don't use POI I still have great >> >> respect >> >>>> for >> >>>>> your work. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thanks, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Chris Demwell >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >> >> >
