Hi,

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 01:30:12PM +0200, bjoern michaelsen - Sun Microsystems 
- Hamburg Germany wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:52:18 +0200
> Rene Engelhard <r...@openoffice.org> wrote:
> 
> > a stronger community means actively involving hughe parts of the
> > "community". which you don't. there's still many sun-internal decision
> > just posed to the "community" as a fact everyxone has to live with.
> Who is "you" here? Sun contributors are not the Borg and in a community

Sun.

> they should be treated according to their individual merits and vices
> and not be hold in kin liability.

True. As is the other way round.

> > There's still bugs not fixed or cared about because it doesn't affect
> > *you* (but only people outside)
> So you want to have control over the way that Sun manages its
> resources? Thats not how it works in _any_ OSS project. If you would
> stomp into #gentoo, #debian or #ubuntu and request your personal itch

Neither of those are development channels :)

> to be scratched you would be laughed out the door. Well, on ubuntu you
> might be offered a support contract, but that is different from what
> you are suggesting here.

Ubuntu has to die. :)

> > Or patches lingering around for no reason because no one cares about.
> That would be a different issue. But there are also non-Sun domain
> developers, so this is not specific to Sun contributors -- its plain
> old lack of ressources.

Wrong. How is answering a simple queston so that someone outside Sun
can finally do th ecws and get it integrated "lack of resources"?

How is patch -pX lack of resources? How is telling people how they
need to change stuff to get a patch (which works for everyone else
except Sun and is needed there) finalized to get integrated a resource
problem? (The fix I have in mind is a triviality for someone who knows
how to add/hide stuff in the Options dialogs)

> Finally, I do not like statements implying "You are at Sun and thus not
> part of the community.". Actually, that is quite an unfair
> discrimination.

True. But for some people at Sun this is the case.

Grüße/Regards,

René

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