Hi,

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> Von: Thorsten Ziehm <thorsten.zi...@sun.com>

> Hi Andre,
> 

> > 
> > Hmm? What request is not valid? That QA communitiy shoud be able to get 
> > somehow reliable builds from buildbots to be able to do CWS tests?
> 
> I will explain it again. I try to explain my future view of QA for CWSes
> in different threads and also in my presentation at OOoCon 2008. But I
> see, that my vision isn't really clear for all and therefore I try it
> again.

...
> 
> 3. I want to have TestBots - or how ever you want to call it - with
>     defined environment to check each CWS automatically or by manual
>     trigger. On these BuildBots automated testing will run automatically
>     on each CWS. ...
 
> 6. It is needed to have builds from a defined build environment.
>     Therefore BuildBots have to be defined, with which the automated
>     tests can run stable and without other errors like the ones from Sun
>     internal build environment. If this is a BuildBot like sun internal
>     environment or anything different has to be checked.

My only request so far was that we (QA Communty) need reliable builds from 
testbots for cws testing. the same as you state here.

> 
> 7. When each CWS will be tested full automated the QA community and
>     here included also the QA engineers in Hamburg, can concentrate
>     on testing the new feature, checking the bug fixes etc.


And for manual testing we will need somehow reliable builds.

> 
> > If this request is not valid - what is the alternative (how would QA 
> > community get cws builds?)
> 
> TestBots should be the solution and I hope until mid of this year we
> will habe first results.


*No* TestBots are *not* the solution for getting reliable builds. TestBots are 
the solution for running automated tests on reliable builds.



André





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