Hello,
Jörg Jahnke schrieb: > Hi Andre, > > Andre Schnabel schrieb: >> Hi Thorsten, >> >> -------- Original-Nachricht -------- >>> Von: Thorsten Ziehm <thorsten.zi...@sun.com> >> >>> where is the problem? (I know I asked this since months and do not get >>> any detailed answer) :-( >> >> You are correct with this. And I was just going to get builds from the >> buildbots to do some testruns. And here is the first problem: >> http://termite.go-oo.org/buildbot/builders/Win-XP2/builds/701 >> >> The build failed! This is for a regular OOO310_m1 build which should >> never fail in a somewhat "clean" environment. > > Is this really the answer to Thorstens older question? I guess not. And > also to Mechtilde's initial question, which Stephan posted here, it is > not the answer because there the issue of differences in functionality > was raised. With a failed build you get no functionality at all. > > From the perspective of a QA member, who wants to create a build that he > can test, a failed build certainly is more than annoying. In a previous > mail Gregor asked for the different tasks BuildBots were meant to work > on. IMO the focus up to now was more on testing the builds for many > different platforms and early find and fix build problems for these > platforms. They currently perhaps have more a developer focus and not a > QA focus. So that you stumble over a build problem on a BuildBot does > not mean that the BuildBot system is broken, it might as well mean that > the current BuildBots are more useful for developers than for QA means. My intention is that all steps going to a working version should be able to use the same build environment as in HH as at the buildsbot as someone else build it on their own machines. Only under this prerequisite it is possible to do an effective QA as on the CWS as on the master. So we (developer and QA) didn't need to look if the problem comes from the build environment or from the code. and in the end it will be easier for all involved person to work together finding the bugs. > > But indeed we should think about adding that QA focus and installing > some BuildBots that are as close as possible to the Hamburg RE > environment where the milestone builds take place, so that the BuildBots > can create builds with a higher reliabiliy. We don't need additinal environments. In my opinion it is absulutely necessary that as the comunity developers as the community qa van use the same environment as the same group in HH. No different environments for any of these groups. > >> >> I'll try to get at least some linux builds: >> http://termite.go-oo.org/buildbot/builders/Ubuntu-7.10-i386/builds/661 >> >> Maybe I can provide a set of test results (diffed to a sun build) - >> but as said .. this might take some weeks. > > IMO that would be very useful. We should ensure that we not spend time > and resources into adding BuildBots with an environment close to the > Hamburg RE one and later find out that all was wasted because the real > problems were e.g. different Windows Managers of the test machines or > whatever. To analyse the problems of different window manages can only be worked if all other things of the build environment are identical. Kind regards Mechtilde -- Dipl. Ing. Mechtilde Stehmann ## http://de.openoffice.org ## Ansprechpartnerin für die deutschsprachige QA ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows, Solaris ## Meine Seite http://www.mechtilde.de ## PGP encryption welcome! Key-ID: 0x53B3892B --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.org
