Hi,
Le 06/06/2020 à 21:49, Peter Kovacs a écrit :
Hi Jean-Philippe,
Hi All,
I guess you have a visual impairment. I took the opportunity to activate
ORCA speech recognition application on my Linux machine, and played
blind for a while.
Many thanks, yes I am blind
For me it was a disappointing experience, but it did work. So first
thing to know the screen reader virtually reads the screen, without
having any Idea of context.
Actually Orca rely on the at-spi tree (or ATK). You can see what is sent
to it via a program such as accerciser, showing the accessibility tree
and how Orca has the information.
That said, in a new document window, Orca should at least say "blank" to
say that it is on the part of the window to write.
When you Open a new text document, then you get an empty page. May
screen reader identifies this as empty frame, since OpenOffice draws a
optical frame for the border of the printable space.
I simply started to type, and the screen reader read every letter. In
order to get the screen reader to read the the text I had to mark it.
Press Control button and Key A at the same time.
Ok, but should not. In Libreoffice (and order OOo releases), Orca speaks
each character, then you can review them via the arrow keys.
Applying an headline, has been more challenging task. Since everything
works by shortcuts a blind person using a screen reader has to image the
GUI in his head.
Normally, I press ctrl-f11 then scroll the style list via the down key.
At each pressing, Orca tell where the carte is.
So pressing F11, for the styles window, will be then read to the user.
However you have no Idea where you are, or what this nid of a menue is.
So you must know that after it stopped reading the last thing it is
mentioning is a style. Navigate with the down button to the header.
Pressing enter will select the header, but you will not get any
information that you are again on the page and can now type your header.
I should. I suggest you to compare with LO, to see wether the user
experience is the same for you, it should not. The point here is not
saying LO is more accessible than OOo, but establishing wether we are in
front of a misconfiguration at runtime, easily fixable, or really code
problems which have been landed to OOo for some releases (because it had
worked some years ago).
If some accessibility was broken, it would imply much work I guess, so I
will see how to support it according to the working of the project.
And you do not get any information, that the style changes when you
press enter. So yea. You get some information, but not enough so you can
really use it.I can confirm, that using Linux, with Gnome Orca screen
reader works. If you know what you are doing it is usable. If you have
no Idea, it is not usable or learn able. The screen reader just misses
to many information when writing text.
On further research I have found out that there is an accessODF
Extension. It aims at closing the gap. I have not tried it yet, and the
last information it states is it works with Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0.
Ok I will try it
With 4.0.1 we added a sidebar which is not recognized. The development
seems to have stopped in 2013. The extension can be found at [1] for
openOffice, and at [2] is the project page. It isd reported not to work.
But maybe users with impairment face issues from above and cannot
utilize the application.
So next steps. I think further research is needed. And more detailed
experience stories. The one given in the bug are more pleads then
something I can use.
I can help to improve the diagnostic and see what solutions exist. Ready
to collaborate, as a power-user/tester.
Many thanks and best regards,
I do not know when I have time to experiment with AccessODF. I will note
it to the Issue we have for Visual Accessibility, which can be found at
[3].
In general I would be curious to think on an acoustic user interface for
OpenOffice. With KI tech available and we move away from PCs to tablets
or phones. Acoustic User Interface will be interesting not only for
Impaired people.
[1] https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/accessodf
[2] https://sourceforge.net/p/accessodf/home/Home/
[3] https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=70567
Am 06.06.20 um 17:40 schrieb MENGUAL Jean-Philippe:
Hi,
I had not tried for a long, but I would like to start again with this
suite. Difficult for me to establish the current dev status and
support, but I installed it on my Debian Sid.
Do you have info about its potential accessibility? So far, I use it
with a screen reader, but the window of the doc is not spoken, the
dialogs such as confirmation of exiting and save does not send all the
buttons to the screen reader, so I wonder wether I should run with
some vairables or something else.
Ready to test anyway, and according to the working, why not adopt! :)
Regards
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