Hello,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BMCS [mailto:b...@apache.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2020 8:12 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [discussion] Documentation Contribution based or 
> produced by LO? (was: How to join Docs team)

> The potential new AOO documentation contributor did NOT say that his
> contribution would be a copy of the LO Base documentation.

yes, you're right.

> I suspected
> that he might not be aware of "The Apache Way", so I indicated that it
> would be advisable to for him to make full disclosure of his 
> work on the
> LO documentation to the AOO project before moving forward.

My comment meant something different, namely that the documentation for OOo 
3.3.0 is closer to AOO 4.1.7 than any current LO documentation.
It is therefore a question of pure expediency to rely on the old OOo 
documentation.

> > We, the ProOO-Box team, are working on the German-language 
> documentation for AOO, using the English originals of OOo 3.3 
> as a basis, which has proven to be very useful.
> 
> That is good news, but how does this help the AOO 
> Documentation 

This helps in so far as this documentation is of course also available for use 
by AOO without restriction.
If this were not the case, we would not have noted on the AOO website that we 
are taking care of the documentation.
It is due to the practical situation that there are no uploads on the AOO 
website yet.

This is the concrete situation, but generally (imho):

Shouldn't we be grateful for ANY help for AOO? No matter who it comes from?
Why do we argue about formalities in times where we lack volunteers?

> and why
> haven't you Jörg spoken up about this before now?

I have, of course, talked about it (years ago), or do you think I work in 
secret?
 
> > We use the Apache way and this is meritocratic, as we have 
> been told in other cases over and over again!
> What has this to do with a potential new AOO documentation contributor
> offering his services.

Very simple: here they try to organize the writing of the documentation 
centrally and this confuses me because all proposals I made in the past have 
been rejected with reference to the meritocratic approach.

I myself am very much in agreement with (centralised) organisation, but this 
must not lead to certain content issues being promoted and other content issues 
being hindered.

> > It may not be finished yet, but we've been working on the 
> documentation all the time, where no one else was doing it, 
> and we've been working as much as we could.
> I repeat my previous question: How does this help the AOO 
> Documentation
> and why haven't you Jörg spoken up about this before now?

This helps the project, because it makes current (4.x) documentation, also for 
the project, available in German language.

> > So it's not true that nobody would work on the documentation.
> 
> Jörg, please quote the words I wrote, not your distorted 
> interpretation.

Excuse me, but when I refer to Peter's statement, I cannot quote you (Dave).

> In other words, VERY LITTLE new or updated material has been added to
> the main AOO documentation website pages. Since the main AOO 
> website is
> in English that statement can be taken to mean the English 
> documentation.
> 
> > greetings,
> > Jörg
> 
> Jörg, your strident proclamations make enemies of those who would be
> friends of AOO. Many of us, Peter and myself included, understand that
> there can be no reunification, but we seek for cooperation between the
> projects whenever possible. There is no benefit or gain in continually
> resurrecting past animosities and dead issues.

I'm for collaboration, but for working together as equals and I'm against any 
claim of leadership from LO in this collaboration.

Several times I was allowed to experience that members of the AOO-community 
reached out their hand, but LO did not reply.
Michael for example speaks of "our friends at LO", but I never read a public 
statement from the LO-community that spoke of "our friends at AOO".

Such things make me wonder.



greetings,
Jörg


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