Hi Rory,

Am 18.02.19 um 16:53 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 15:08:09 +0000
> Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 16:00:20 +0100
>> Matthias Seidel <matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rory,
>>>
>>> Am 15.02.19 um 11:22 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:
>>>> On Fri, 15 Feb 2019 11:55:32 +0200
>>>> Damjan Jovanovic <dam...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bug 125129 looks like a wild goose chase and requires considerable
>>>>> understanding of the framework layer, but I'll try continue when I have
>>>>> time.
>>>> A quick experiment with Writer in 4.2.0 shows me that one cannot insert a 
>>>> background fill (Area tab) when making a frame, but one can subsequently 
>>>> select the frame and then insert the background.
>>>>   
>>>> Also, the Frame toolbar does not show onscreen for me, so I am unable to 
>>>> attempt Linking frames, whether empty or with background fill.  Using 
>>>> /View /Toolbars : Frame turns off the Formatting toolbar, but does not 
>>>> display the Frame toolbar.  I am reasonably sure the Frame toolbar is not 
>>>> anywhere on my desktop (several monitors in use - checked it is not hidden 
>>>> behind anything).
>>> I have seen this "hidden" toolbar on Linux (with a fresh profile) but
>>> never could reproduce it on Windows.
>>>
>>> However, Revision 1853741 should fix it.
> OK, on 
> AOO420m1(Build:9820)  -  Rev. 1853744
> 2019-02-17_20:20:13 - Rev. 1853770
>
> just now installed (old profile used): The Frame toolbar shows on Linux deb 
> 64 when a frame is selected.  I can link frames OK.  However, I cannot insert 
> a background (Area) fill when defining a frame.  The system hangs, then 
> crashes.  The old linux trick of starting openoffice4 in a terminal does not 
> give any diagnostic information after such a crash.

You mix up two separate issues here...

I only fixed the hidden toolbar. The crash is well known and documented:
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125129

Regards,

   Matthias

>
> I can, once a frame is made, select it and change the background (Area) 
> colour.  If a frame has had a background inserted after making the frame, its 
> linking to another frame is uncertain - the background colour is sometimes 
> treated as frame content and linking is not permitted; however, the logic of 
> "content" in a frame probably ought be inserted content such as text or 
> illustration, not structural content such as a background colour generated at 
> frame make time; but until a frame can have such content generated at frame 
> make time, one cannot experiment in any detail.
>
> Rory
>>
>> OK, downloading now - will try this over next few days, but little time 
>> until later in the week.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>>> (I am using AOO420m1(Build:9800)  -  Rev. 1851640
>>>> 2019-01-19 15:48:21 (Sat, 19 Jan 2019) - Linux x86_64 [Apache OpenOffice 
>>>> Test Development Build] running on Xubuntu 18.04.02 64 bit)
>>>>
>>>> I don't currently use Frames in any of my works in progress, so this is 
>>>> not a matter of any urgency for me.
>>>>
>>>> I am of course ready to try any interim version (whether public or 
>>>> private) to examine any change in this or other problems.
>>> You can try a build from our buildbot:
>>> https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/41x/
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>    Matthias
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Rory O'Farrell <ofarr...@iol.ie>
>>
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