On 16 January 2015 at 21:53, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
wrote:

> I'm sorry, the TDF did not do that.  Sun Microsystems did that and
> Oracle's eventual response was probably inevitable.
>

​Indeed. More could be said on this matter but in many ways the writing was
on the wall when Oracle acquired Sun. We all knew it.  I doubt that Oracle
could have done very much, at least given the resources it wanted to expend
and the nature of the developer community. So much had to be done, on so
many levels. (OOo was not alone in suffering a strategic neglect within
Sun; but it was particularly jarring for us, given the size and cultural
importance of the effort. And to be fair, in the last couple of years, Sun
really did seem to be trying to take open source seriously, and this was
evident with its Java efforts, for instance.)

At this point, I'd much rather see about talking to TDF and LO and seeing
where effective collaboration could be made. I'm pragmatic. I look to the
resources we—all of OpenOffice and LO—have and consider that, surely, there
must be some areas where license permits neutral collaboration.

Oh, as to Dennis' point about the ODF not being the MSFT killer— despite
rhetoric to the contrary, I actually believed and also stated that ODF
offered a kind of potential that Microsoft's focus on the "office" space
did not. ODF, as I saw it, could move beyond the claustrophobia of MSFT's
Office because it was not beholden to any given vendor. And it could find
its way in public spaces and in schools and in areas that we had not really
thought about, all because it was not pegged to a notion of the market that
any one vendor would identify.

louis

PS A note on context. Dennis and I served on the Oasis ODF TCs (all of
them) for several years. I did not renew my Oasis membership last year but
have been reconsidering that.

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