Hi
I should have foreseen it, the last couple of days have contained quite a
number of complaints in my inbox about the new centOS vm. A lot of the
complaints could have been answered with "please read the ticket and the
comments, before making a new comment", instead I have tried to patiently
answer each complain positively.
Now we have the next issue CentOS 5 versus CentOS 6. It is correct that the
ticket is quite clear, so INFRA should have asked (and I dont know how this
happened, at hipchat we actually discussed CentOS 5).
But I honestly still dont get the real problem, we want to compile
(actually link) with a specific version of gLibc what does that have to
with the version of the OS ?
We could easily have a directory with old gLibC library and header files.
On my ubuntu 14.04, I have directories going back to ubuntu 10.x. Changing
gLibC is merely setting an environment variable.
Please remember we are not talking a vm for runtime, but a buildbot.
Another little hickup, I can see multiple people have commented on the
ticket, but if infra should do something, it might be a good idea to open
the ticket.
As I see it (still being positive) we have several options
a) Leave centOS 6, and install old gLibC, which will give us a buildbot for
both centOS 5 and centOS6.
b) Ask INFRA to redo the job, someone should reopen the ticket
c) Ask INFRA to get tethys back (a physical machine), then we can have all
the VMs there as we want (INFRA-6217)
If we want a fast result we should go for a), but if we want something that
can be expanded we should go for c). I have asked infra about c), which
just happens to be the ticket pescetti refers to.
So much about the technical issues, now to my real concern.
Could we not try to change attitude.....complaining and telling what does
not work, is not exactly a good way to get things moving. We are pretty
good at making people who try to help very very tired.
Just a few simple tips:
- read the whole ticket before telling what does not work
- try to formulate things positively and tell what you want to do to
help the situation
- think "how can I turn this FOO, which is wrong, into something that
can actually benefit us all"
- maybe remember to write "thank you" from time to time (a INFRA
contractor, actually spent time solving the ticket).
(just to be clear, my involvement was merely to be part of the
discussion)
We dont get a community up and running, by telling each other all the
mistakes we do....it would be a lot more efficient to help each other.
I am used to this, so I am beyond the point where I react when my inbox
fills with these complaints. So please dont read the above as "jan is once
more offended", he is not.....but I am scared about the culture we have at
the moment which to me seems to more about finding excuses to why things do
not work, than to actually do something about them.
rgds
jan i.
On 16 December 2014 at 09:20, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>
>> If we
>> agree that the best way is to put a modern, ASF-supported, Linux system
>> on tethys and then use it as a host for two virtualized buildbot
>> environments based on CentOS 5 (32 and 64 bit), let it be.
>>
>
> Adding some context: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-6217
> has all details and explanations for the need for CentOS 5. So that one
> would be the discussion to pick up again.
>
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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