On 13/11/2014 22:58, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
jan i wrote:
On 13 November 2014 18:43, Michal Hriň wrote:
OK. I'm asking because I think that Andrea is only one person, who
creates
Pootle accounts for new volunteers
I'm not the only one who can, but I'm the only one who does. When I
created the accounts that were requested earlier today, I took note of
the needed steps. These may be helpful to any other admins in future,
and they are at the bottom of this message.
and I'm not sure if volunteers comes
back if they don't have created account immediately.
Jan is right, technically there is no reason for that and they can be
immediately productive by making suggestions as anonymous. Still, this
is clearly not working. Maybe we are not clear enough, maybe
volunteers don't like that: but we must make everything as smooth as
possible.
Actually that worked for a long time with the danish translation.
But I have zero problem with the way you have handled account
creation....its now how I would have done it, but it has been done
correctly.
In my opinion its nice to see work from a person, before that person is
allowed to write and change directly. 99% are good people, but the 1%
(or
less) can made damage that takes a lot of time to repair.
We are now consolidating the localization community. Many languages
have at least one responsive translator. We could discuss a new model
where we create an account immediately but (for languages that already
have active, responsive volunteers) we don't give the right to submit
translations, only suggestions. And then an already trusted translator
vouches for the quality of suggestions and asks that the new volunteer
is given full rights.
+1, my intention was simply to have someone vouch for the quality. BUT
as mentioned above account creation have been handled differently, and I
have no problem with that.
Again, ApacheCon is an excellent moment to discuss this. Three Pootle
admins (jani, jsc and me) are also OpenOffice committers so they know
how things work in OpenOffice, and two of them (jani and me) will be
there. I can see 7 Pootle admins in total. Jan, if you believe that it
is possible to gather some of them (even just you and me, but if we
manage to be 4, even better) at ApacheCon to discuss how to handle new
accounts and administration, I'm surely available for a dedicated
meeting: localization is an important and well-working part of our
community, and it must have priority.
yes. ACEU is a good place.
Please dont forget a pootle admin can change ALL projects. I believe
(know might be more correct) that AOO is the only project that allows
non-committers to have accounts, so this is a special AOO problem. But
again I have no problem with the account creation as AOO have handled it
(after the discussion on security level).
I do however have a problem with adding more admins (infra in general
might see this differently), and I am strongly against having
non-committers as admins.
For reference I am doing pottle maintenance from time to time, but for
all apache projects.
rgds
jan i.
(see below, for reference, the steps for creating a new Pootle
account; some seem unnecessary but they are done in preparation for an
already agreed change in default permissions)
Regards,
Andrea.
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To create a new Pootle account:
1) Login at https://translate.apache.org
2) Click on ADMIN top-right
3) Click on the users tab
4) Fill in the new account details on the last row (username always
lowercase; put a random password)
5) Save the account
6) Go back to the home page and open the language page for the
corresponding language (r.g., https://translate.apache.org/km/ for Khmer)
7) Open the aoo40 project, then Permissions, then give the last 4
permissions (review, make, submit, view) to the newly created user
8) Do the same for the aoo400help project
9) Send a welcome mail like
http://markmail.org/message/6ufo2ulcrx6hahib making sure to CC the new
account holder
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