On 10/24/2014 08:50 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
<orcnote> below.
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From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org]
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On 10/24/2014 11:42 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
<orcnote> below.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak [mailto:and...@pitonyak.org]
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 06:18
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: OpenOffice lost again 6000 users (was: Improved OOXML support?)
[ ... ]
I am not overly informed on this, but, I think that the primary
complaint was that the OOXML ISO standard supports storing proprietary
binary blobs that are not part of the standard as aprt of the document.
[ ... ]
More specifically, I was under the impression that you could include a
binary blob of say a doc file.
<orcnote>
More specifically, can you point me to an authoritative source
For this claim?
I don't want to take a search of the OOXML specification
without some specific details.
</orcnote>
Well, there was a time that I spent many hours worrying about exactly
what was in the standard. I had downloaded a bunch of files and spent
time reading them and following the discussion. If you want
authoritative documents, you can find them places such as here:
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=51463
http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html
(search for 29500)
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/gg607163%28v=office.14%29.aspx#IIOXML_H2
But I don't think that is what you are asking... I think that you are
asking either:
Am I able to point you to a more authoritative source that says that
people were concerned that the standard allowed embedding arbitrary MSO
binary stuff into OOXML files?
or
Are there concerns well founded?
Let me start by stating that my intent was to clarify their concerns. At
this point I hardly care if their concerns are accurate and I have no
desire to justify them or defend them. Why? Because I am just too busy
to care about it. If I bang my head against the wall and take a stiff
drink, I have vague recollections of an xlink attribute that may end up
referencing a binary version of the document, which, as an end result,
means that supporting OOXML implies that you also support all previous
MSO document formats. I am unable without more study than I am willing
to undertake to remember if that is all linked using OLE or something
else. I only say this because I suspect that it is likely related to
OLE, but I don't really remember anyone saying as much.
I don't like that OOXML relies so heavily on embedding OLE objects (I
think that you can do this sort of thing using ODF as well).
Back when I was blowing hours trying to read through the standard (and
yeah, I wasted probably even more time reading the ODF standard), I was
struck by how poorly the behavior was defined for the spreadsheet
portion. I remember, at the time, thinking that it was even worse than
the original ODF stuff, which has been fully hammered out at this point.
Perhaps this has been solved for OOXML as well by now, but I am surly
not going to read that stuff again unless a really compelling reason
arises (like a for pay gig, which I am not looking for, I lack the time).
Note that I am exposed so often to OOXML, I should probably care more
about this than I currently do.
Now I can go back to trying to figure out how I can find Northern Spy
apples in the middle of Ohio.
--
Andrew Pitonyak
My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
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