And I'm here to help, not just complain :) I'm still working out how I can contribute...
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Roman Sausarnes <romansausar...@gmail.com> wrote: > Okay, I'm going to fess up and admit my mistake. I found the link on the > "Building Guide" page ( > https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO) that > takes you to the Mac OS X information. > > I see it now - I don't know why I didn't see it before - I was blind to > it, except it was halfway down a very long page and not at all where I > would expect to find it. I would expect to find it in the location titled: > Step-by-Step Building Guide for Different Platforms. At the very top of the > page is a link that claims to give step-by-step instructions for different > platforms, but when you click on it, it says nothing about Mac OS X. And I > still think that the information offered is not as clear or structured as > the information on the LO site. > > I know that all of the information is there somewhere. I have found it in > the past. It just always feels like I have to dig for it with AOO, whereas > on LO it is easier. > > Hey, programming isn't for wimps. But other noobs have now raised similar > points, so its more than just "user error". > > And I second the observation that the website is confusing - there are > multiple sites with very different structures, sometimes with contradictory > or outdated information, and no real semblance of common organization > between them. > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Roman Sausarnes <romansausar...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> I swear I am technically savvy, but I have not found an easy link to the >> materials you reference. >> >> I start at the homepage - www.openoffice.org >> >> I click on "I want to participate in OpenOffice" link which takes me >> here: http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html >> >> I clink on the New Volunteer Orientation Modules >> <http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html> link which takes >> me here: http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/index.html >> >> I click on the Introduction to Development >> <http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html> link >> which takes me here: >> http://openoffice.apache.org/orientation/intro-development.html >> >> I click on the Building Guide >> <http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO> link >> which takes me here: >> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO >> >> That page has no instructions for how to build on Mac OS X, but it does >> have a link titled Step-by-Step Building Guide for Different Platforms >> <http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step> >> which >> of course looks very promising. >> >> But when you click on that link, it takes you here: >> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step >> >> And that page offers detailed instructions for Ubuntu and Windows, but >> has no links whatsoever to any materials regarding Mac OS X. >> >> When I click on the link that you provided, I see the requirements for >> Mac OS X and I see how to get started that is very helpful. >> >> But compare that to the LibreOffice materials. I google "LibreOffice on >> Mac OS X" and I get the following link: >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/BuildingOnMac >> >> I go to that link and it has step by step instructions on what to do. >> >> I'm smart enough to be able to find what I am looking for, but I'm just >> saying that as a total newcomer to both projects LibreOffice made it much >> easier. >> >> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:38 AM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@oooes.org> >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Roman Sausarnes < >>> romansausar...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > As a newcomer to development who is looking for a way to get involved >>> in >>> > one project or the other, I thought I would share my impressions. >>> > >>> > The LibreOffice website and development materials seem friendlier to >>> > newcomers. It is easier to navigate and find simple instructions for >>> how to >>> > get the code, set up a development environment, or contribute in other >>> > ways. I use a Mac, and almost right away I found a detailed set of >>> > instructions that was (relatively) current for how to build LO for the >>> > first time on my machine. >>> > >>> > The AOO website is confusing and disorganized for people approaching >>> it for >>> > the first time and some of the information is outdated. I still haven't >>> > found simple instructions for how to build on a Mac. I have found a >>> set of >>> > instructions but they are confusing, appear to be outdated, and suggest >>> > that I need to install older Xcode, etc., without any suggestions or >>> > resources on how to do it, if it is really necessary, etc. >>> > >>> >>> Can you please be more explicit on this. From our angle, we create >>> modules >>> so that people could easily find the right information of the way they >>> want >>> to contribute. Going to www.openoffice.org and selecting you want to >>> contribute will lead you to a series of tutorials on how to better get >>> involved. Development starts with building for different platforms, >>> including OSX. >>> >>> All in all is 4 clicks: >>> Homepage -> Contributing page -> Development -> Building -> OSX ( >>> >>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Building_on_MacOsX >>> ) >>> >>> The instructions are for 4.1 so they are pretty current. >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > I haven't given up on AOO, and part of me wants to figure out how to >>> do it >>> > and then write the instructions clearly for the next person who comes >>> > along, but you can understand how a person who is given two >>> opportunities >>> > is tempted to choose the one that is easier to get started on (the hard >>> > work comes later - entry should be easy) and more clearly structured. >>> > >>> > Just my two cents. >>> > >>> > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Chuck Davis <cjgun...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > I've seen quite a number of new people show up here lately indicating >>> > > interest coming from someplace. If one out of 10 of them sticks and >>> > > becomes a regular contributor the project is in a very good position >>> I >>> > > think. >>> > > >>> > > My observations regarding LO: >>> > > 1) They've copied some features from MS Office that make it equally >>> > > difficult to use....It's not as pleasant to use as AOO. It's very >>> > > unfortunate the distributions have adopted LO in lieu of AOO. >>> > > 2) Their constant AOO bashing is a real turn-off for me and I hope >>> > > others as well. I don't think I want their people in our camp. >>> > > 3) They seem to be very proud of getting rid of Java and replacing >>> it >>> > > with Python. I've looked at Python a little and it seems to me any >>> > > language dependent on indentation rather than syntax is >>> > > just........dumb! There is nothing wrong with Java -- especially now >>> > > that OpenJDK is the reference implementation and is being worked on >>> by >>> > > every major player except MS. >>> > > 4) LO seems to have major QC issues. The quality is definitely >>> > > several notches below where AOO rests in my experience. >>> > > >>> > > These are just my observations as a long time OpenOffice user. And >>> > > Apache has some very interesting related projects (i.e. ODF Toolkit) >>> > > that can propel ODF as a standard reporting framework as well as the >>> > > new project to read and write OOXML for document exchange. >>> > > >>> > > My advice: stay the course. Emphasize quality and dependability >>> over >>> > > glitz. If developers are not attracted to AOO on those terms they're >>> > > not developers the project needs. Those of us in business just need >>> a >>> > > tool to get our work done and it doesn't need to be fancy -- just >>> > > dependable. LO falls on it's face at this point. >>> > > >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Alexandro Colorado >>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor >>> 882C 4389 3C27 E8DF 41B9 5C4C 1DB7 9D1C 7F4C 2614 >>> >> >> >
