On 3 January 2014 23:31, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote:

> On 27/11/2013 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>
>> I would like to prefer to concentrate my time on the development. Thus,
>> please can somebody take over responsibility here.
>>
>
> So let's see where we are on this topic, since invitations are being sent
> in these days to the accepted speakers. I won't ask for personal
> reimbursements, so I can take care of the process if we don't have other
> volunteers (if we do have volunteers, please speak up!).
>
>  The process should be something like
>> - We need to agree on how much money we want to spend
>> - We need to agree on the conditions that need to be meant to recieve
>> funding
>> - We need to agree on the granting/selection process
>>
>
> I think this was already covered at the beginning of this thread and got
> consensus. Tersely, this was "a flat reimbursement of 200 Euros for
> accepted speakers who ask for it". But we need more detail to know how to
> apply it. So in detail, I would say this means:
>
> 1) Total budget: 1000 EUR (5 people) will be enough.
>
> 2) Conditions to be eligible for funding (all must be verified):
> 2a) Be an accepted speaker for the Open Document Editors devroom at FOSDEM
> 2014
>
+1

> 2b) Present a talk concerning OpenOffice (this is kind of obvious, but the
> devroom will host talks about several products)
>
+1

> 2c) Not have alternate sources of funding
>
I agree, but that needs to be more precise, otherwise "alternate sources"
include my bank account.


> 2d) Apply for funding on the dev list, stating the amount one wish to have
> reimbursed (up to 200 EUR, but less if one spends less; eligible expenses
> are travel + hotels; if expenses are still unknown, I suggest applying for
> 200 EUR and then the reimbursement will be done according to the actual
> expenses)
>
It might be a matter of wording, but this is not "flat imbursement", that
is "max. imbursement".

I agree we need control, but its either "flat" == fixed or against
expenses. The lazy consensus was for flat reimbursement.

I have no problem showing the expenses, but I look forward to see how they
are calculated since I travel with my wife. flight + hotel (3nights) will
be more than 200,- EUR for a single person, so in my opinion 2d) just adds
complexity.

2e) Be actually present in person at FOSDEM to deliver the talks, or we
> won't give the reimbursement even if accepted.
>
+1

> 2f) If requested by the treasurer, present copies of the relevant invoices.
>
See topic on flat reimbursement.

>
> 3) Granting/selection process: we won't receive more than 5 applications,
> and probably less than that. If we receive more, or if we receive
> applications that need discussion, the PMC will decide and make its
> decision criteria and results public.
>
+1

>
>  - We need to clarify the payment details with <treasu...@apache.org>
>>
>
> OK, so I will be doing this unless someone else is available to talk to
> the treasurer and take care of discussing with him.
>
Please read my comment above in the view that I will be applying for
reimbursement.

I think its important that we apply a 4 eye principle, meaning those that
get reimbursement cannot be the contact to the treasurer, that way there
can be no dispute about misuse (which I understand have earlier been the
case).

rgds
jan I.


> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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