On 12/17/13 10:39 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote: > On 2013-12-17, 3:07 AM Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >> On 12/16/13 6:31 PM, Larry Gusaas wrote: >>> On 2013-12-16, 5:47 AM Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >>>> I would like to propose that with AOO 4.1 we support 10.7 or higher >>>> MacOS systems only at the beginning. We can decide later on if it's >>>> worth to spend additional time in 10.6 systems but for now I would not >>>> spent any further time on it. We have to look forward and we should >>>> take >>>> into account that we have many other things to do that will be address >>>> the needs and requirements of many more users. >>> -1 >>> There are a significant number of people who use 10.6 and won't upgrade >>> for a variety of reasons. >> we need real numbers. And we should keep in mind that Apple has a >> different philosophy and cut older systems more rigorous. We have to >> take this into account and the update on new core APIs was overdue. The >> risk to run into real and bigger problems is very high. > > 10.6 was replaced in July 2011. That is 2 year and 5 months ago. > You need real numbers to justify your position. I see lots of comments > from people on various support groups that they are not upgrading. > >> If volunteers are interested to help here we can and will help but we >> will focus on the mainstream and with supporting the last 3 versions I >> believe we address most of the users. > > Provide some valid statistics to back that up. You said you need real > numbers, provide them.
I will try to provide download numbers and from which OS version these downloads are triggered > >> Sorry if this sounds to harsh for you but we have to prioritize our work >> and nobody should expect that we do all the work. > > What is this we/they thing. Is there two projects here? Sounds like > developer superiority speech to me. no we are one project but the work have to be done. I simply described that we will focus on the new clang environment and the upgrade to new core APIs to be able to run on future OS versions. We don't plan to focus on older systems. But I offered help if people think they need an older system and if they are interested to help. Because it comes not automatically. > >> And believe me we don't drop an older version easy and we would prefer >> to support as many as possible but sometimes the given constraints are >> different. > > A two year and five month old version is not old. After all, you still > support Windows XP. I agree but Apple follows a different approach than MS. You can blame Apple if you want. I described the technical reason for my initial proposal. I would prefer to continue the support of 10.6 but I see it also realistic. > >> And whatever reasons are there that don't allow a free update to a newer >> system, these users should think if this platform is the right one for >> them. > > There is no free upgrade from OS X ver. 10.6, only paid upgrades. > The only free upgrade is to 10.9 and you require at least 10.7 to get > it. Many Intel Macs won't run 10.9. really, I thought it is possible to upgrade from 10.6. But anyway it is a lot of work to make the new env working with 10.6 and I don't see a chance to achieve this in time or at all if nobody is interested to help. Juergen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
