On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:09 PM, Alexandro Colorado <j...@oooes.org> wrote:
> > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> >> On Sep 7, 2013, at 4:46 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: >> >> > On 23/08/2013 janI wrote: >> >> On 22 August 2013 23:51, Alexandro Colorado<j...@oooes.org> wrote: >> >>>>> just get a final confirmation if there a 'go' on the Wiki logo >> update >> >>>>> which >> >>>>> was reverted due to a regression by infra when setting the SVN. >> >> Infra did not revert anything. >> >> As you very well know the revert on wiki was done by me, because >> >> a) the logos was installed in a wrong place, that made updates very >> >> difficult >> >> b) the standard procedure to make a backup/commit was not followed >> >> All something that had nothing to do with consensus, but how admins >> work on >> >> the vm. >> > >> > I'm coming late to this part of the discussion, but this was definitely >> the right thing to do. We care about a professional-level maintenance of >> our Infrastructure (and actually Apache Infra demands and enforces it). >> Everyone can make mistakes, but when we can correct them we must do so. And >> this is the "technical" part. >> >> I agree. My default position is that I support Jan's sysadmin work. For >> me silence is assent. I'll make it clear here. >> >> > >> >> I respects these concerns and feel reel consensus is >> >> much more important than a technicality, even if it takes 400+ hours. >> >> As vm-admin, I will not install a new logo and/or change html/css >> before I >> >> see a broad acceptance. Other vm-admins might feel different. >> > >> > And now coming to the "community" part: this was very right too. An >> administrator must check consensus before doing changes. And consensus >> reaching may well take weeks (the larger and simpler the issue -and this is >> "large" since it affects several sites and "simple" since everybody can >> have a say- the longer the discussion). >> > >> > The important thing is that eventually we get things done! Hagar >> restarted the constructive discussion at >> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=63523 recently >> and I hope we can move forward there. >> > > That discussion only applies to forum. > > > >> >> When the decision is made please bring it back here and flag it with a >> [CONSENSUS] subject tag. We can then test that here and then proceed after >> the consensus is proven. >> > > There has been 0 comments on the wiki proposal. Is this a consensus? > > > >> >> Either way we should be vetting the new html, it's look, etc. The >> sysadmin team is then responsible for implementation on MWiki and forums >> and communication about that to the appropriate lists. The admin team is >> responsible for maintaining these servers and needs to manage all >> configuration changes in a manner that any server can be rebuilt from >> scratch using private svn archives including a runbook and data backups. >> This has to be co-ordinated. A change that is apparently simple and >> seemingly 10 minutes is not. Sysadmins are correct to insist on process >> here. Volunteer sysadmins even more so. Don't expect them to be happy if >> you make them "volunteer" when they have real plans and other activities. >> >> But, Alexandro seems to want to discuss a full branding change to all AOO >> assets if that is so then that decision must be made on this list, is much >> larger and it requires a full proposal with willingness to discuss >> everyone's ideas. >> > > There has been no comments on this list for the wiki logo proposal. > Which should by default be a Consensus AFAIK, that's the 'lazy' part of > the consensus. > > > >> >> In that case the co-ordination is large and complete consensus followed >> by a conversion plan is required. >> > > It seems there is no timeline, even if there is no comments, things are > not getting done. The process is pretty much broken, since there seems to > be no actual consensus process beside "waiting" which has been done, and > still hasn't been applied. > > > >> >> - Sysadmin team >> MWiki >> Forums >> - Committers >> Websites >> - Infra / bz admins >> Bugzilla >> - PMC / Infra >> CWiki >> Blogs >> - Sourceforge >> Extensions >> Templates >> > > ATM there is only proposed patches for Mwiki, Forum index and Forum > logos. Extensions and Templates were already updated on Roberto's design. > > Blogs logos were somewhat updated without much discussion (AFAIK). > And so we go on, there has been 3 days with no further commnts to the discussion. The Wiki has been ready to go, and there is nobody actually approving/implementing the patch. > > > > >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> >> >> > >> > Regards, >> > Andrea. >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> >> > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > Apache OpenOffice Contributor > http://www.openoffice.org > > > > > > -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org
