Is there a larger version of the orb graphic? Something, say, big enough to use as a CD label background?
Don On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 3:02 AM, Jörg Schmidt <joe...@j-m-schmidt.de> > wrote: > > Hello, > > > >> From: Chris Maffey [mailto:ch...@maffey.com] > > > >> I have been distributing OO Cds since 2002, from my website > >> http://openoffice.org.nz/. > >> > >> This is mostly an exercise in helping distribute OpenOffice, > >> rather than a > >> money maker. I sell the CDs for around $3.50 USD, and after > >> all the CD > >> printing, Package printing, CD Burning expenses there is no profit. > >> > >> I know this is not a huge contribution, however I have sold > >> around 3,700 OO > >> CDs in New Zealand over the last 10 years, which possibly > >> helps in a little > >> way. > > > > I think that's good, thank you for your work. > > > > But I think "profit" is something positive, because imho the statement > of the FSF > > is correct: > > > > "Since free software is not a matter of price, a low price does not make > the free > > software, or even closer to free. So if you are redistributing copies of > free > > software, you might as well charge a substantial fee and make some money > . > > Redistributing free software is a good and legitimate activity;. if you > do it, you > > might as well make a profit from it " > > > > see: > > http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html.en > > > > > > For example, we have, in the past, the PrOOo-Box (professionally pressed > DVD plus > > printed manual (150 pages) in a box) sold for 12 euros. > > We used this money for the local work on OOo, for example, for fairs how > the > > LinuxTag (http://www.linuxtag.org/2013/en.html). > > > > > > On the idea of reviving a CD/Distribution site, I'd like to review the > reasons why we took it down originally: > > 1) The list was out of date. A quick check of the links showed that > many were dead or did not actually go to pages that offered OpenOffice > CD's. > > 2) As part of a non-profit foundation we need to be very careful how > we relate to commercial entities. We can't be seen, for example, as > giving special treatment to some commercial entities over others. And > we need to be acting in accordance with the Foundations charitable > mission. > > 3) We also need to watch out to ensure that our trademarks are not misused. > > 4) We have no practical way to ensure that CD distributors are > offering current versions of OpenOffice, are virus free, etc. We see > many examples of websites that claim to offer OpenOffice downloads but > instead trick the user into downloading another application that > installs malware on their machine. Our constant advice to users is > to only download from a trusted source. How do we apply this advice > with physical media? > > 5) Search engines are good enough today that a user can find a > distributor without us getting involved. For example a Google search > of 'buy openoffice cd new zealand" turns up the appropriate website at > the top. > > > But since the time we took that page down we've had more experience > thinking these kinds of issues through. For example, we now have a > consultants page: > > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html > > That page has a disclaimer: > > "The information provided here was provided by the entities named, and > is not verified or endorsed by the Apache OpenOffice project. We offer > this listing as a service to the ecosystem." > > And we have impartial listing criteria. We don't give preferential > treatment to one company over another: > > http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html > > The listings are fact-based and descriptive, not advertising. > > We also visit each website and verify that any use of ASF-owned > trademarks is appropriate and correctly acknowledged. > > So I think we could develop a set of guidelines for CD listings, on a > similar model to what we did with consultants. To make it lightweight > I'd propose a set of guidelines that the distributors "self-certify" > to. In other words, they agree to follow these guidelines as a > condition of being listed. Things like: > > 1) Only appropriate, acknowledged use of trademarks > > 2) No implied affiliation with the OpenOffice project > > 3) Notice that the software can be downloaded for free from > www.openoffice.org > > 4) Software offered is unmodified AOO. Hashcodes must match. (Of > course, everyone has the right to modify AOO, but if we're linking to > distributors from our download website, the presumption is for > unmodified versions. If we want a separate list for sales of modified > versions of AOO that should go on the ports and distributions page) > > 5) Versions offered must be either the current version of AOO or > another version of AOO that was current within 90 days from the sale. > In other words, we want to discourage distribution of old versions > with security flaws. > > 6) Distributor should be signed up to our announcements mailing list, > so they are promptly notified of new releases. > > 7) Distributor must not imply that support is included in the purchase > price, unless they actually provide support. We've seen some websites > charge for OpenOffice, say it includes support, and then point the > user to the free community support forums. > > Now on any of these points, you might say, "But that is none of your > concern what version I sell, whether I modify, what links I give, > etc." This is true, to an extent. But when we add links to a 3rd > party on our website we do so only for the benefit of our users, so it > is reasonable for us to ask for such conditions. It would be a > one-sided bargain if we just listed everyone with no conditions. > > Just food for thought. > > -Rob > > > > > > > Greetings, > > Jörg > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
