On 29 March 2013 00:20, Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> wrote: > janI wrote: > >> On 28 March 2013 12:04, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >> >>> On 3/28/13 11:36 AM, janI wrote: >>> >>>> On 28 March 2013 06:56, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 3/28/13 3:37 AM, janI wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If I am really the only one caring for our mwiki, I agree with rob愀 >>>>>> concern about a single person being a risk !! >>>>>> Any thought on how we can remedy this situation ? >>>>>> >>>>> > The "Infra wishlist" we discussed here a while ago will be sent to Infra > soon, in time for the Apache budget discussion. The list will include the > suggestion that we can receive official support from Infra for our LAMP > applications (wiki, forum). Of course we will continue and try to build a > small team of project volunteers, but it would be very nice to know that > Infra is monitoring our sites too. > > - All our changes are documented in infra svn >>>> >>> Is it accessible via an Url? >>> >> https://svn.apache.org/repos/**infra/infrastructure/trunk/** >> machines/vms/ooo-wiki2-vm<https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/trunk/machines/vms/ooo-wiki2-vm> >> > > It is a protected repository, I cannot access it. This is understandable. > But I assume that all Infra people have access to it. > Yes
> > A couple of weeks ago, #asfinfra started using a ranking system (my word >>>> for it). Infra committers had a + added to their nick (was given voice), >>>> ... if being online and active daily for months is not "regular" >>>> >>>> then it is not a place for me. >>>> >>> > I almost never visit #asfinfra and I have no idea why this was done (maybe > it has practical reasons, to see how many people can respond to an incident > by changing configuration files... who knows), but I don't think this was > done to put people like you in a "second rank". Even though this is not > related to OpenOffice, every demotivating action should be justified, so I > would recommend to discuss this on the infrastructure list. I wrote it to explain why it is not in my power to provide the services we discussed earlier that I should provide. I have no intention of discussing this subject on this list. > > > I will no longer get up during the night getting mwiki back online and in >> general only respond to service alerts when I happen to be on my pc. This >> will probably lead to longer downtimes >> > > This is a sane approach. As much as I appreciate your effort to restore > the wiki while it's night in Europe, we cannot ask volunteers to be always > available. A small team of geographically distributed volunteers with > official backup from Infra seems the best solution. Totally agree, and I have prepared myself for being part of such a team, by learning a lot about our internal structures as well as infra. Today I think I have a deep knowledge on both subjects. > > > translate-vm is another issue, we are still waiting for a pottle release, >> andrea asked the pottle guys but as far as I know did not get a reply. >> > > Yes, no replies so far about the availability of Pootle 2.5. > > > The main question for me is how we can improve the overall situation. We >>> need infra and the support from them, we want integrate us but want to >>> be accepted as well. We have special requirements based on the history >>> of our project, changes require a lot of work. >>> >> > A first step in improving relationships will be the "wishlist", i.e., > telling Infra in advance what we might need. The many needs of the > OpenOffice project, especially the legacy ones, have been quite annoying to > Infra also because they came after resources (people and money) had been > allocated. Let's start by changing this. > A wishlist is a needed thing, for hardware and other money resources. BUT infra is not a paid project (apart from a little handfull, that does a big job coordinating the rest and running some very core services), it is committers like you and I. All the sites I have seen, are being maintained by infra-committers. In my humble opinion the wishlist should contain a wish for a small team that are part of both projects (infra/aoo), we supply the people who either are or will become infra-committers. rgds Jan I. > > Regards, > Andrea. > > > ------------------------------**------------------------------**--------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > dev-unsubscribe@openoffice.**apache.org<dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > >
