Well said, Rob. I should have been more explicit in explaining that when I say "decision making" I mean "big decisions" for some value of "big". It's a little bit subjective and will always be a judgment call, but I think your example is perfect. "How to fix the broken build" can absolutely be done on IRC. Deciding to rewrite Calc in Ada, OTOH would not be something you would want to do on IRC.
Personally I'm looking forward to a move active IRC presence for AOO people, as I'm a big IRC fan. I just want to make sure we stay aligned with the Apache Way. Phil On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Phillip Rhodes > <motley.crue....@gmail.com> wrote: >> IRC is great and all, and I'm all for having as many channels as >> people feel a need for. Just keep in mind that the ASF approach to >> projects is to ensure that decision making is done >> in public and very openly. I think the implication of that is that >> most discussion that leads directly to a decision, and definitely any >> actual decision making, should happen on the mailing list(s). >> >> That's the way I've always understood it anyway. Somebody please >> correct me if I'm wrong. >> > > That's the general idea. But not everything needs discussion. JFDI > has a place as well. For example, if the build broke and the > developers meet in IRC to figure out how to fix it, I'd expect them to > just JFDI. No need to report back to the dev list or discuss further > or to ask permission. The commit logs will record what was done. > > But in general, decisions are not urgent. They don't need to be made > at short notice. So the mailing list is more respectful of > participation of project members in many time zones, including many > native languages, and individuals who might need to check a dictionary > occasionally to understand what is said. The mailing list is > inclusive. Real-time meetings, in person, via phone, Google Hangouts, > IRC, etc., are tied to a specific time, and so they are less > inclusive. But they still have a role to play, I think. > > -Rob > >> >> Phil >> >> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:28 AM, Raphael Bircher <r.birc...@gmx.ch> wrote: >>> Hi all >>> >>> At the old OpenOffice project we have had different IRC Channels. Same were >>> more active then others, but we have had a load more activity then now. The >>> fact, that not a load Apache Projects use IRC does not mean that we are not >>> allowed to use IRC. We are not allowed to make dessisions at the IRC, >>> because Apache has clear rouls for dessicion making. >>> >>> IRC has many avantage over a ML. You can discouss problemes life. You have >>> often much faster a answare. And at same problems. work togeter is more >>> afective and make more. >>> >>> I realy would like a more active IRC Channel. I propose #dev.openoffice.org >>> at freenode as our main channel. I encourage you to jump in too. >>> >>> Greetings Raphael >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
