Am 02/12/2013 10:39 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote:
Am 02/12/2013 08:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Pedro Giffuni<p...@apache.org> wrote:
Hello;
I don't understand,
I saw a bug (erroneous result returned by a function) and I fixed
it respecting the standards, thereby enhancing interperability
with the market leader.
I am aware that Rob has a different point of view here but so
By my count, those who expressed concern about your patch are;
- Me
- Regina
- Andre
- Stuart
- Günter
I think this is a non-trivial amount opposition, including from some
whose opinions you might respect more than mine.
far neither him nor Stephen Hawking has explained how the change
would be incorrect and no example where someone has been affected
by this change has been provided.
You can't have it both ways. Your claimed benefit is intrinsically
tied to breaking compatibility with earlier versions of OpenOffice.
You cannot both claim that it has a significant interop benefit and
also claim that it has a negligible backwards compatibility impact.
IMHO nobody wrote that there is a significant improvement in direction of
better compatibility. Of course it's just a step of 1 per mill.
Some facts from the issue itself:
- open since 2010-09-09
- only 2 votes (from author of comment #2)
- only 4 mail addresses on CC (all from apache)
- only 3 comments (before our discussion started)
From my point of view this issue is of very low interest for others -
compared with other issues.
But as nobody has delievered a valid use case, we're talking about a
theoretically possibility of broken spreadsheets and therefore spent already
too much of our time for this discussion.
Sorry, if it wasn't clear. I have a spreadsheet on my hard-drive
right now that would be break if we changed the behavior of 0^0.
And what is your *serious* use case for this spreadsheet? Beside to use
it as a test document? And you have it created before the discussion has
started?
I'll ask my question again:
Is there more than one who can deliever a *serious and valid use case*?
Thanks
Marcus
I propose to keep the change as it is now.
My 2 ct.
Marcus
Has the patch been vetoed, and if so on what basis?
Pedro.
________________________________
Da: Dennis E. Hamilton<dennis.hamil...@acm.org>
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: dwhyt...@gmail.com; pesce...@apache.org; 'Pedro
Giffuni'<p...@apache.org>
Inviato: Martedì 12 Febbraio 2013 13:11
Oggetto: RE: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0
RESOLUTION OF THE PROPOSAL
The proposed change was made under CTR (Commit then Review). There has
been
a subsequent review and, as Don points out, the discussion has been
lengthy
and vocal.
The objective is to achieve consensus. I believe it is clear that there
is
no consensus on the proposed change and the proposal fails.
I can't speak for the AOO PMC. It would be useful if Andreas helped
wrap
this up. If the lack of consensus is affirmed, Pedro can revert the
change
and adjust the Bugzilla issue.
THE ESSENCE OF THE PROPOSAL
The proposal is to enact the breaking change as described on
the Community Wiki at
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Notes>
.
It is under Changes that Impact Backward Compatibility, Calc and
OpenFormula
Support.
"Exponentiation
"The current version of Calc produces 1 for POWER(0,0). This is one of
the
implementation-defined results that is permitted by ODF 1.2 OpenFormula.
"It is proposed to change POWER(0,0) to result in #VALUE!. This is also
permitted as the implementation-defined result. This is also compatible
with Excel and the Excel 2013 support for ODF 1.2 OpenFormula in .ods
Spreadsheets. ..."
OUTCOME
The proposed change is tracked in Bugzilla Issue #114430,
< https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=114430>.
A patch to implement this proposal is already included in the SVN.
If the proposal is not accepted as the result of CTR review, the
Issue will be closed and the patch reverted.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhyt...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 09:20
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0
...So I got curious, and I paged back in my email archive, and it
seems this is the biggest AOO dev thread since the graduation vote
back in early September.
At this point, does anyone care enough about changing the status quo
as to put up a coherent proposal to be voted on?
Don
