Hi Louis, I just wanted to say that the situation in which were Keith and Prabha was not sustainable in the long term, they merit to be recognized for their efforts and not to be frustrated. So, perhaps a group here is a better way to support the efforts in the documentation area. There is no attack against odf authors. I just wanted to say that if you are favorable to the creation of a doclist here, it's a good thing for us. The reason to support an online doc under ALv2.0 is the necessity to have an official documentation easy to update and allowing derivated works (printed documentation, ebooks, ....). So, such a documentation appears to me as a priority and has to be absolutely supported, because we have already an existing work and a competent team working on it. But actually the great challenge seems to me how to help this team in a productive manner, avoiding that the help becomes a lost of time for them.
A+ -- gw 2012/12/2 Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com> > Hi Guy, > > On 12-12-01, at 19:35 , Guy Waterval <waterval....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Louis, > > > > 2012/12/1 Louis Suárez-Potts <lui...@gmail.com> > > > >> Hi > >> On 12-12-01, at 15:52 , Guy Waterval <waterval....@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> A new doc mailing list is absolutely necessary. It could offer an > >>> alternative to the odf authors solution, as this group is the > >> documentation > >>> area of LibreOffice. Even if people are totally correct there, we have > to > >>> be realistic, the conditions are not good there for people working on > an > >>> apache documentation project. > >> > >> From prior experience and also from current, I'd submit that a new list > >> for this purpose is needed. I'd also see if former OO documentation > writers > >> want to participate. Of course, to hit my usual refrain, I'm also as > always > >> interested to learn if we can work with other implementations of ODF > based > >> on OO code. > >> > >> FWIW, when Sun was sponsoring OOo, the Doc project gained productive > >> vigour under Frank Peters, of Sun/Oracle. He brought to bear his > >> professional abilities. He also sought out non-Sun/Oracle community > >> members. It was a good, multilingual project. Clayton worked with him > on it. > >> > > > > Happy to see that you support the creation of a doclist. By the way, it's > > not my intention to criticize the work accomplished by Keith and Prabha > on > > the odf authors website. My personal preference is also definitly a > printed > > documentation, but I think that an online doc under ALV2.0 is obligatory, > > we have no choice, and if we support and help the team of Ricardo, we > have > > a real chance to get it. If we had a dedicated list for the > documentation, > > it would be also more easy to support a printed variant with people who > as > > me are interested by this way. > > > > A+ > > -- > > gw > > > >> > >> > > I think you are responding to things I did not write nor intend. My fault. > Let me clarify…. > > First, my connection with OOo and the documentation project, which I > initiated with Scott Carr back in 2002, giving it to him upon his request, > is of long standing. Second, I quite support the current license regime and > structure. My point about former doc. writers was not to reach out to > Authors; I actually had not considered that construal. I did not really > think of them as being part of the Documentation project in the same way > that Frank was, or earlier, Scott—or as many others were. But of course, > I'm an idiot, as there were many who very happily worked with Authors, and > they had by far the greater shine, so I can see where you are coming from. > However…. > > Neither Frank nor Clayton had anything to do with Authors group; nor did > I. In fact, I had a long historical friction with them for reasons of > license and approach. But that's ancient history and in the sum, I was > happier to see them contribute and to add to the OOo ecosystem; so was > Frank and so was, I believe, Clayton. The Authors group did not include > anyone from Sun or Oracle. But again, this is ancient history best left > done. > > Frank was quite committed to online work, too, and there was, in fact, a > lot of done by Oracle under his leadership. It's Oracle property. I asked > when AOO was just newborn—last year—if Oracle, my former employer, would > have those files available for us. My hope was that as the work was > proprietary and owned by Oracle, it might be made open and donated to the > OO community. Or bought. But nothing came of that entreaty. > > Louis
