2012/11/16 Kevin Grignon <kevingrignon...@gmail.com>
> On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Kevin Grignon <kevingrignon...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 9:28 PM, RGB ES <rgb.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 2012/11/15 Kevin Grignon <kevingrignon...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> > Hello All,
> >> >
> >> > I've been exploring the information design (content) for the dockable
> >> task
> >> > pane. I've analyzed the current content in both LS and AOO, and
> captured
> >> > some thoughts on future design direction.
> >> > See:
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_-_Information_Design
> >> >
> >> > Capture any thoughts or feedback in the discussion section of the wiki
> >> > page.
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Kevin
> >> >
> >>
> >> Good ideas, indeed! Just a small point about the proposal: you are
> >> separating direct formatting (Content properties) from styles (Style
> list)
> >> which is a good idea, but we must keep in mind that there is no "direct
> >> formatting" for pages on Writer: the menu you get when you go to Format
> →
> >> Page does *not* do direct formatting, it just edit the current page
> style.
> >>
> >> IMO, the options are:
> >>
> >> - to not include page information on the content properties docker
> >>
> >> - to just show a static info panel giving the option to edit the
> >> corresponding page style or to apply one of the styles from a list.
> >>
> >> Maybe (thinking aloud in real time) instead of a "page" section it would
> >> be
> >> more interesting to show a "breaks" section, where you can insert and
> >> manage page breaks with change of page styles and reset of page
> >> numbering... or maybe put all this on its own panel. The possibility to
> >> edit the page style should be limited to the style list panel.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Ricardo
> >>
> >
> >
> > Ricardo,
> >
> > Thanks for the input.
> >
> > I've posted your comments to the wiki discussion.
> >
> > I'll explore the page properties vs. style options.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> > Ricardo,
>
> While Lotus Symphony presents page properties in the contextual task pane,
> they are related to the 'Page Styles'. Evoking the 'More' option command in
> page properties section header evokes the Page Styles document.
>
> So, are the page properties actually stored as styles, or just called
> styles?
>
That's right: page formatting can only be stored as styles. In fact, if you
want a landscape page between two portrait pages you need at lest two page
styles and change between them with two page breaks.
As a matter of fact, *everything* on Writer is stored as style, not only
page formatting. The ODF specialists here can tell the story far better
than me, but as far as I understand it even direct character and paragraph
formatting is stored on content.xml as "hidden styles" that do not show on
the Stylist ("real" styles are always on styles.xml). Even manual page
breaks are stored as one of those phantom paragraph styles with the "page
break - before" property enabled. But for page formatting there is no
"hidden style": you need to define (or modify existing ones) as many real
page styles as page formats you need on a document *before* you apply them
using a proper page breaks. So, from the user perspective we do not have
direct formatting for pages, only (sort of) for paragraph and character
formatting.
NOTE: I really like the "style only" way. In fact, I would love to see an
alternative Writer UI were direct formatting is completely forbidden.
Direct formatting is a bad habit that always cause headaches. But that's
just me ;)
Regards
Ricardo
>
> I can't imaging someone looking to change the page styles to change the
> page orientation. Curious.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Kevin
>
