+1 :-)

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On Mon, May 4, 2026 at 12:07 PM Nathan Hartman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> One of the nicest things about NuttX is that you can use it with any
> microcontroller. That's the biggest selling point for me: instead of using
> a different set of vendor libraries for each microcontroller, you can
> standardize on NuttX and your code becomes portable across microcontrollers
> regardless of vendor.
>
> If we start leaving microcontrollers behind, first it will be 8-bit
> microcontrollers, then likely it will be 16-bit, eventually we'll be a
> large and heavy OS that only works on powerful, expensive chips.
>
> I like the idea of 64-bit time_t being the default with a way to reduce it
> when appropriate for a particular use case. The Kconfig "---help---" text
> could warn that less than 64-bit is non-POSIX and the consequences of using
> less than 64 bits, and let the developer decide. By default we'll be
> 64-bits and complying with POSIX on this issue.
>
> My 2¢...
>
> Nathan
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2026 at 7:43 AM Alan C. Assis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I wasn't aware that libfaketime was facing an issue with the time_t moving
> > to 64-bit ?
> >
> > https://github.com/wolfcw/libfaketime/issues/418
> >
> > I think in our case we don't have any issue (I hope), other than the code
> > increasing and a worse performance on 8/16/32-bit MCUs.
> >
> > BR,
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > On Sun, May 3, 2026 at 4:22 PM Gregory Nutt <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > There are some compilers that do not support uin64_t natively.  For
> > those,
> > > library support would be needed.
> > >
> > > If an implementation requires multiple accesses to read/write uint64,
> > then
> > > the accesses would be non-atomic.  At a bare minimum, the locked section
> > > would be required (which would not prevent concurrent accesses from
> > > interrupt handlers).
> > >
> > > I support the POSIX first prioritization.  I removed a lot of support
> > > needed by some of these architectures in the past for similar reasons.
> > > That broke certain compilers and a lot of implementations (which are
> > still
> > > broken).  We should probably do the same, but with full awareness of
> > > functionality well will use or things that are very broken.
> > >
> > > I have suggested removing support for the 8 bit architectures and for
> > > compilers like the ZDS and SDCC compilers.  Carrying architectures with
> > > this level of breakage is misleading.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2026 9:42 AM
> > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Removal of CONFIG_SYSTEM_TIME64 and make time_t
> > > 64-bit by default
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I tried for AVR128DA28 - tools/configure.sh -l breadxavr:nsh
> > >
> > > Default setting (CONFIG_SYSTEM_TIME64 not set):
> > >
> > > Register: nsh
> > > Register: sh
> > > LD: nuttx
> > > Memory region         Used Size  Region Size  %age Used
> > >             flash:       50457 B       128 KB     38.50%
> > >              sram:         636 B        16 KB      3.88%
> > >            eeprom:           0 B        512 B      0.00%
> > >            rodata:         592 B         4 KB     14.45%
> > > CP: nuttx.hex
> > > CP: nuttx.asm
> > >
> > > With CONFIG_SYSTEM_TIME64 set:
> > >
> > > Register: nsh
> > > Register: sh
> > > LD: nuttx
> > > Memory region         Used Size  Region Size  %age Used
> > >             flash:       52307 B       128 KB     39.91%
> > >              sram:         668 B        16 KB      4.08%
> > >            eeprom:           0 B        512 B      0.00%
> > >            rodata:         592 B         4 KB     14.45%
> > > CP: nuttx.hex
> > > CP: nuttx.asm
> > >
> > > 2kB seems quite noticeable for a chip with 128kB flash. Runtime costs
> > > are somewhat hard to assess, the time_t type is used in internal
> > > timekeeping but the code was developed with tickless mode of operation
> > > in mind so the timekeeping functions should not run that often unless
> > > the system gets busy with processing lots of timed events.
> > >
> > > As for the benefits - the real question is how many devices (designed
> > > with a chip like this one) need to know real time and therefore handle
> > > year 2038. (None of my use cases need that.)
> > >
> > > So for small systems, having the option to configure NuttX so time_t is
> > > 32 bit wide would certainly be beneficial. Making the SYSTEM_TIME64
> > > option default to DEFAULT_SMALL would be nice but it's not POSIX-correct
> > > so I don't think that's gonna fly.
> > >
> >

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