Hello both, On Saturday 25 of September 2021 17:45:06 Gregory Nutt wrote: > >>> Greg, nobody here want to take NuttX from you or destroy it.
I believe that both have thought and fight for the best from the project perspective as you see it. I for the meeting, I have noticed it on discord some hour before start. I have missed e/mail, I am not hired on NuttX project and do not have opportunity to follow communication instantaneously. I have worked on ESA project on Thursday and have advanced computer architectures class and seminaries on Friday. So I would agree if the meeting setup without any advance negotiation on time and place would be unofficial gathering like in the pub and for example to test the technology. If it is announced as platform to speak issues important for future project steering, then I think that the action was not well prepared and can be seen as offending by Greg. But idea of some meeting is not bad in the principle. But it should be announced in advance ideally with possibility to negotiate day and time and it can be really complicated when people from Japan, China, Europe and America should find feasible time window. On the other hand, steering, polls and issues should be managed way suitable for asynchronous participation. The main nub of the NuttX is now GitHub, it is one of the world best infrastructure for SW development. On the other hand it is closed source and it is question how it will behave in the long term. I would personally prefer more GitLab where such big project as Appache could run it own infrastructure guaranteed by community. But it is soft level opinion and I agree with better GitHub visibility, I use it as well for personal projects. Company on GitLab.com and bigger ones in companies for which we work on their own GitLab servers. Which is little related to NuttX, because code from their public NuttX repo would need to be moved to mine or Michal Lenc's one on GitHub to prepare pull requests for mainline. But this overhead helps to consider cleaning and cherry picking. So no problem with GitHub. All data are and should be accessible to community without registration there. I see Alan's survey on LinkedIn platform as more problematic. It become very aggressive platform which uses wrong trick. If you are not registered then it allows public profiles access referenced from google search, but when you want to look at it again you see only blurred page and hard request for registration, same for surveys. So it behaves viral and evil. I would prefer surveys on Google more even that it is company which would be happy to chain up users and their thoughts to is as well. But it allows open participation. For example, to not push my studnets data to Google I have took the pain to install Odoo on our university IT provided server to take anonymous public survey from them. It hakes time, pain but nobody can abuse their connection IP addresses to do cluster analysis which people access same survey and build profile that they can be inclined to same Google clients paid advertisement. You can look on such survey on own "low availability" hacked up virtual there http://pisa-virt.felk.cvut.cz:8069/survey/start/8fd10db1-e0bf-47e7-850b-b0c96c96915c Same for discord, it is platform which is popular between actual studnets generation and after IRC freenode ownership problems has been selected by more open-source projects. But again it is single owner service, you do not get to communication archives without registration etc... So I am not happy much in that (natural) selection. I would prefer some fererated service. Jabber works but there s problem with asynchronous communication. I think that Matrix can be the future. Linux Foundation selected it together with BigBlueButton for Linux Plumbers conferences.... probably main gathering place to discuss steering of the project for next year... You can learn from Linus Torvalds hard fail lesson with selecting and cooperation on its time the best distributed version control system - Bitkeeper. But thanks to this hard lesson we have there GIT. So I think I understand view angles of you both and there is not wrong intention in them but they are not fully compatible and each of you come with different experience, expectations etc. And that is why communication is important and ideally in person gatherings/conferences, because these feeling and tastes are hard to formulate and communicate online or offline. Best wishes, Pavel PS: excuse me for long e-mail, but I am trying to formulate my feelings, taste and as you can see, it is hard in e-mail....
