On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 3:44 PM Gregory Nutt <spudan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/19/2019 2:35 PM, Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > > >> Do I understand you correctly? We can use the original google group and > add a user there with the dev@nuttx.apache.org? > > Mailing list are archived / mirrored in serval places, here’s a couple: > > https://lists.apache.org > > https://markmail.org/search/ > > https://nabble.com (for some lists and it’s a more user forum like > approach) > > > > While might be possible to keep the google group and have all email > copied here and thus archived, there would be other things that would need > to be carefully considered. For context no other project has their main > form of communication outside of ASF hardware. Some projects communicate a > lot via JIRA or GitHub issues and these interactions are sent to the > projects mailing list. There's a project happening to help archive and > translate instant messaging, that’s probably 6 months or more away from > working out how that works with ASF infrastructure and ASF values. > > > > One other consideration. Google groups may go away as some point, it’s > not like google hasn’t removed other services before. While it seems > unlikely that it will disappear tomorrow, what about in 5 year to 10 years > or 20 years? Can everyone have access it? For instance, some google > services are blocked in China. I assume you need a google account to be > able to use it, can everyone create one to be part of the project? As a > comparison the ASF plans to be around for 50+ years and keeps access open > to everyone. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > > And there are things that are just as bad as "going away." NuttX left > the Yahoo group because the service deteriorated to the point it was > unusable. This was at the time when the world first realized that the > Yahoo was falling apart. The group became nearly non-functional. Mail > was not being delivered or mail would be delayed for several days and > finally showed up when it was no longer in context. It became useless. > > And there was the fear that it would go away but that never actually > happened. > > The old Yahoo group is archived at > https://nuttx.yahoogroups.narkive.com/ but the group itself was deleted. > > I would recommend that we do the same with the Google group down the > road... archive it some where and dismantle the group. Not right at > this moment, of course, but when traffic there dies down sufficiently. Please don't delete the google group. It contains important knowledge and experiences that aren't documented anywhere else. Instead, when the time is right, I suggest to make one last post to point people to Apache NuttX, then block new posts. In the future we may need to research a way to archive the group, or at least important discussions, and make it available under ASF hardware. It may take some effort to do that but some of the information there is priceless. There are tidbits of Greg explaining the rationale behind how various things work, which comes from his decades and decades of experience. There are posts where people ran into problems and then solved them and documented the solution. If this all goes up in smoke we lose a LOT! I would love if we could somehow bring this information under the Apache NuttX umbrella. Nathan
