On Wed, 21 Sep 2005, John Casey wrote:

(Hope I'm not too late)

+1


If marmalade breaks between beta releases, all the people that actually
use it will tell us and this will give a good indication of how much it's
used.

-- Kenney

> Hi,
>
> As I'm sure most of you are aware, we have shipped all of the Maven 2
> releases so far with support for a scripting language called Marmalade.
> This language was meant to replace Jelly, and provide a bridge for those
> developers with custom Jelly-based plugins to migrate onto M2.
>
> As the user interest in M2 soars, I see very few people trying to use
> Marmalade. It seems that the language is still too immature, and the
> runtime model of M2 is just too different for a Jelly-compatible mojo
> language to be useful. Actually, those of you who keep close tabs on the
> users list will undoubtedly notice that Marmalade is in fact causing a
> negative net effect on M2 uptake. I believe it is the only mojo
> development documentation we've published for M2, and that document no
> longer produces a working example, because the latest changes to the
> mojo descriptor API have broken the descriptor metadata in Marmalade.
>
> I'm the sole developer on the Marmalade project currently, and I haven't
> had too many people asking about it. While I'm still interested in it, I
> have to say that I'm not sure when I'll be able to give it the attention
> it deserves WRT integrating proper Ant support. And that's to say
> nothing of the integration hooks for supporting Marmalade mojos in M2.
>
> Therefore, I suggest that we remove all official support of Marmalade as
> a M2 mojo language, and let the Marmalade project take it over. We
> should remove the mojo development guide that is Marmalade oriented, and
> stop mentioning it as a viable option for mojo development. At the same
> time, I'm going to be working (in the next week or so) on Ant-based mojo
> support, which will effectively replace Marmalade for 99% of the use
> cases I've heard.
>
> Marmalade will still be available as a mojo language, we just won't be
> supporting it from this project...and maintenance of this integration
> will happen on a very different timescale.
>
> So, I'm putting this up for a vote. I'll leave it open for 72 hours (not
> that I think we need it), and reassess then. In this case, abstention
> signals assent. If you don't veto, I'll simply remove it.
>
> [] +1 - strongly support removal
> [] +0 - support removal in principle
> [] -0 - oppose removal in principle
> [] -1 - strongly oppose removal
>
> Here's my +1 for removal.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
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