I think this starts to make reasonable picture:

If you are on Java 8, use Maven 3
If you are on Java 9+ use Maven 4 (once out).

For start, Maven3 has no idea (notion) about "classpaths" vs "modulepaths"
(is not quite true stated like this, it has SOME heuristics, that is mostly
shoot-and-miss).

So, I think it makes sense to have Maven 4 as Java 17, as folks in "big
tech" with strict processes, policies and what not will not migrate anyway
to Maven4. They have Maven3.

T


On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 9:23 PM Benjamin Marwell <bmarw...@apache.org>
wrote:

> Brian, any Chance you could make a stacked 100% graph for every *week*
> of the past two years?
> We could then see where we are heading…
> (or the raw numbers per week, so we could work with that).
>
> That's probably a lot to ask, but I think it will show us how "fast"
> the progression was (and will be).
>
> @Tamas please consider the support times are different by vendor.
> I have seen Java 8 support well beyond 2030 *shudder*.
>
> Seeing all those numbers, I now feel a lot more confident that Maven 4
> should be 17 (runtime), 21 (build)
> and Java 8 users should stay with 3.x.x.
> Elliotte gave a good reason for this: There are two camps now (read:
> ALREADY).
> There is no reason to not go with either of them.
>
> Am Do., 22. Feb. 2024 um 19:56 Uhr schrieb Brian Fox <bri...@infinity.nu>:
> >
> > We dumped 30 days because that gives a good snapshot of what's happening
> > right now. If we dumped for example the whole year, then it really blurs
> > the lines all over the place and things newer will be less prominent just
> > because they didn't have as much time. 30 days is how we typically bucket
> > things when we want a form of relative popularity.
> >
> > As far as toy projects skewing, Tamas is right, the scale of central data
> > is so large that it's insignificant. Also remember we only counted each
> IP
> > once per entry so even projects downloading over and over won't skew the
> > results.
>
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