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Hi,

Em 25-05-2011 12:08, Gianvittorio escreveu:
> Guys,
> I am sure that a discussion in "neutral territory" can still mean a very 
> transparent and productive conversation too.
> 
> Louis,
> Which forum did you have in mind?


As Florian said, I don't understand why "neutral territory"? I hope we
all, users and interested about this,know where it goes this conversation.


> Gian
> 
> 
> On Wed 25/05/11 16:55 , Louis Suarez-Potts lsuarezpo...@gmail.com sent:
>> There are many good reasons to have any discussion as proposed by the
>> TDF—Florian and Sophie—on a neutral ground. I've mentioned the
>> compelling ones. 
>> And I also think we need to proceed very carefully here. Not only for
>> "community" reasons but also because a lot is at stake beyond our narrow
>> concerns.
>> Louis
>>
>>
>> On 2011-05-25, at 10:29 , Sophie wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Florian, all,
>>> On 25/05/2011 17:00, Florian Effenberger
>> wrote:>> Hi Louis,
>>>>
>>>> Louis Suarez-Potts wrote on 2011-05-25
>> 14.33:>>> Thanks, Florian for the long message
>> :-)>>> But, can I request that we have such advocations
>> (not sure that's a>>> word) presented in a more neutral space? My
>> reasoning, besides the>>> obvious, that this is OOo-land, has to do with
>> simply having a>>> suitable forum for what is likely to be a
>> protracted and contentious>>> discussion, and that sort of thing calls out 
>> for
>> neutrality.>>> 
>>>>> I also tend to think that having focused and if
>> possible in-person>>> meetings is immensely helpful.
>>>>
>>>> as the topic was raised on this public mailing
>> list, and as it concerns>> the OpenOffice.org Community, I thought it is
>> indeed the right approach>> to reply publically to the discussion.
>>>>
>>>> The question I raised was not rhetorical. I don't
>> want to say "take TDF>> as is", but I am open to feedback and criticism.
>> If there is anything>> that needs to be changed or improved, any
>> criticism that is justified, I>> definitely will not ignore it, but rather 
>> try to
>> work on it and improve>> things. However, I will also take position to
>> criticism that from my>> point of view is simply not justified, and I
>> think, that combination is>> a good basis for a discussion.
>>>>
>>>> So, again, my question to all of the
>> OpenOffice.org community: Is there>> any particular reason on why working 
>> together,
>> jointly, united, is not>> possible? Is there any justified reason on why
>> working under the>> umbrella of a different foundation, or even
>> setting up another>> foundation in parallel, makes sense?
>>>>
>>>> I am open to discussion on any channel -- and
>> although I think that the>> OpenOffice.org mailing lists are indeed the right
>> channel to discuss the>> future of the OpenOffice.org community, I am happy
>> to discuss on any>> other channel. Needless to say, I prefer openness
>> and transparency,>> whereever possible.
>>>
>>> And of course, I'll support you in this discussion
>> and completely second your point of view and your position here. In the
>> same way, I would be happy to discuss further with the OpenOffice.org
>> community what can be the best done to join both.> 
>>>>
>>>> Face to face meetings are of course an option, but
>> it will exclude those>> who cannot participate, so why not initiate the
>> discussion on the list>> here as I did?
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Sophie
>>>

Luiz Oliveira

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