Hi, all.

I've stumbled head-first into the marketing wiki, and noticed that
it's not being used as a wiki should be. Particularly, there are a lot
of awkward procedures being suggested that take three steps to do what
can be done in one.

Already, I've created a template for the Marketing project. This is a
box that has links to all of the important pages in the Marketing
project, identifies the page as being a member of the Marketing
project, and includes a [[Category:Marketing]] tag, so the user
doesn't have to manually add one. Also view my user contributions page
(click on my user name, then click the "user contributions" link on
the left menu bar).

I encourage you to visit [[Talk:Marketing]] to view my other
suggestions regarding procedures listed in the Marketing page's
guidelines. I've copied the text below.

I have time this week to further organize and edit the pages. Let me
know if you want me to.

IMHO, the purpose of a wiki is to allow people to throw whatever
they've got on the table, whether or not they're able to format it.
Then others can come around and clean it up. From what I see, it looks
like I'm the one to do that second bit.

- RealGrouchy.




Suggestions: (from [[Talk:Marketing]]
Names of pages

Firstly, we should be using [[Marketing/Pagename]], not
[[Marketing--Pagename]], as the former is recognized by the Wiki
software as being a subpage of [[Marketing]]. That way, a link to
Marketing will be created automatically at the top of each page that
is thusly formatted. (Incidentally, there are a lot of pages that
aren't following this which I can fix soon if there is a desire for me
to do so).

Template:Marketing

I've created a marketing template that we can add to all pages. This
will help reduce the instructions in the guidelines for creating new
pages, since it contains a link to the main "Marketing" page, as well
as a Category:Marketing tag. I would like consensus to change the
guidelines instructions to do so.

Ibid.

Furthermore, we may want to consider moving or removing the list of
pages and categories on the Marketing page to focus attention to the
topic at hand. Although this would mean also abandoning the
descriptions.

Complex process

This whole "first ask, discuss, and gather consensus, then and only
then create the page" is, frankly, stupid. It is awkward, confusing,
and goes against the whole idea of using a wiki (that is, that you
make something, and if someone else doesn't like it, they can take it
down or change it).

In my experience with project management, asking for comments on
things is usually a futile endeavour. If anything, it will either get
struck down (so we delete the page), or people have suggestions on how
to do it (in which case they can edit the page).

Let's assume the case of a fly-by suggestion: somebody comes along,
has an idea, and wants to do it. They will have a much easier time if
they just do it, than if they post a suggestion to the discussion
page, send a message to the dev list, wait a couple of days, then get
permission and do it. By that time, they've probably moved on to other
projects.

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