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Hoss Man commented on SOLR-11916:
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Hmmm... good point.

I thought that since this new type didn't go out of it's way to enable 
"useDocValuesAsStored" that it was a non-issue and the docValues would _never_ 
be used in place of a stored value (but even if that were true, we should 
definitely have a test proving it)

Skimming the relevant code now I realize that as a FieldProperty, the 
schemaVersion is the only thing that drives the (default) value of 
USE_DOCVALUES_AS_STORED regardless of the FieldType impl – so you are 
absolutely correct, we need to do "something" in {{SortableTextField}} to 
account for this propery.
{quote}Perhaps this fieldType overrides useDocValuesAsStored() to see if 
maxChars=-1 (no limit) so it can vary it's output based on that?
{quote}
 
 Hmm ... My concern with that approach is that it might be confusing the users 
how explicitly set {{useDocValuesAsStored="true" stored="false"}} on a 
fieldType (or field) – perhaps w/o even being aware of the default maxChars 
safety valve – and then don't understand why they aren't getting any values 
back?

One possibility would be be for {{SortableTextField.init}} to override the 
(implicit) default {{useDocValuesAsStored=(schemaVersion>1.6)}} with it's own 
default based on {{useDocValuesAsStored=(maxChars==-1)}} _and_ fail with a 
server error (on init) if a configuration includes an explicit 
{{useDocValuesAsStored=true maxChars="anything other then -1"}} ?
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Personally, my vote would be – at least initially – to just say 
"useDocValuesAsStored is not supported for SortableTextField", set the default 
appropriately & fail on init if anyone tries to explicitly set it to "true" 
.... but since FieldProperites can be set on both the {{fieldType}} and the 
{{field}} I don't think it would even be possible for a fieldType to *stop* 
someone from creating a {{<field type="some_sortable_text" 
useDocValuesAsStored="true"}} ... is it?

> new SortableTextField using docValues built from the original string input
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: SOLR-11916
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-11916
>             Project: Solr
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>      Security Level: Public(Default Security Level. Issues are Public) 
>            Reporter: Hoss Man
>            Assignee: Hoss Man
>            Priority: Major
>         Attachments: SOLR-11916.patch
>
>
> I propose adding a new SortableTextField subclass that would functionally 
> work the same as TextField except:
> * {{docValues="true|false"}} could be configured, with the default being 
> "true"
> * The docValues would contain the original input values (just like StrField) 
> for sorting (or faceting)
> ** By default, to protect users from excessively large docValues, only the 
> first 1024 of each field value would be used -- but this could be overridden 
> with configuration.
> ----
> Consider the following sample configuration:
> {code}
> <field name="title" type="text_sortable" docValues="true"
>        indexed="true" docValues="true" stored="true" multiValued="false"/>
> <fieldType name="text_sortable" class="solr.SortableTextField">
>   <analyzer type="index">
>    ...
>   </analyzer>
>   <analyzer type="query">
>    ...
>   </analyzer>
> </fieldType>
> {code}
> Given a document with a title of "Solr In Action"
> Users could:
> * Search for individual (indexed) terms in the "title" field: {{q=title:solr}}
> * Sort documents by title ( {{sort=title asc}} ) such that this document's 
> sort value would be "Solr In Action"
> If another document had a "title" value that was longer then 1024 chars, then 
> the docValues would be built using only the first 1024 characters of the 
> value (unless the user modified the configuration) 
> This would be functionally equivalent to the following existing configuration 
> - including the on disk index segments - except that the on disk DocValues 
> would refer directly to the "title" field, reducing the total number of 
> "field infos" in the index (which has a small impact on segment housekeeping 
> and merge times) and end users would not need to sort on an alternate 
> "title_string" field name - the original "title" field name would always be 
> used directly.
> {code}
> <field name="title" type="text"
>        indexed="true" docValues="true" stored="true" multiValued="false"/>
> <field name="title_string" type="string"
>        indexed="false" docValues="true" stored="false" multiValued="false"/>
> <copyField source="title" dest="title_string" maxChars="1024" />
> {code}



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