Hi, Allen,

Thanks for the explanation. That's a great point. Could you add that to the
rejected section of the KIP.  +1 on this KIP.

Jun

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Allen Wang <allenxw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jun,
>
> I think this KIP helps to gain insight into how many clients have been
> upgraded *before* the we decide to upgrade the message format. In other
> words, users will know if they will pay down conversion cost before message
> format upgrade. It is about making an informed decision. To be
> conservative, users can wait until all clients have been upgraded before
> changing message format, which will guarantee zero down conversion cost.
>
> While for the KIP you mentioned, users will only know the cost of down
> conversion after format upgrade, which may be too late.
>
> Thanks,
> Allen
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 6:16 PM, Jun Rao <j...@confluent.io> wrote:
>
> > Hi, Allen,
> >
> > Thanks for the KIP.
> >
> > It seems the main motivation of the KIP is to estimate the ratio of the
> > clients doing down conversion. I am wondering if we can do that by
> relying
> > on the metrics we added in 1.0.0 (
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-
> > 188+-+Add+new+metrics+to+support+health+checks#KIP-188-
> > Addnewmetricstosupporthealthchecks-Messageconversionrateandtime).
> > This metric reports the message rate of down conversion. By comparing
> this
> > to the message rate of all consumers, you can roughly estimate the ratio
> of
> > consumers still needing down conversion. Does that cover the main thing
> > that you want from this KIP?
> >
> > Jun
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 9:55 AM, Allen Wang <allenxw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I would like to start voting for KIP-272:  Add API version tag to
> > broker's
> > > RequestsPerSec metric.
> > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-
> > > 272%3A+Add+API+version+tag+to+broker%27s+RequestsPerSec+metric
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Allen
> > >
> >
>

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