Jay is in the mood for the mother of all bikeshedding exercises. Let me add the (in)famous build framework question to the mix. I think we should move to Maven :-P
On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Jay Kreps <j...@confluent.io> wrote: > Ha ha, love that this thread is simultaneously an argument over code > whitespace AND language choice. Getting agreement here will be like the > open source discussion equivalent of trying to simultaneously conquer both > France and Russia. > > Anyone have preferences on text editors? I've always thought emacs was > better... > > -Jay > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Grant Henke <ghe...@cloudera.com> wrote: > > > +1 on not breaking blame > > -1 on 4 spaces for scala > > -1 on rewriting Kafka in Java > > +1 on upping our Scala game > > > > so I guess an accumulative of 0 for me ;) > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 7:37 PM, Ashish Singh <asi...@cloudera.com> > wrote: > > > > > I am also a +1 on not breaking git blame. IDEs support language > specific > > > settings in same project. > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Gwen Shapira <g...@confluent.io> > wrote: > > > > > > > +1 on not breaking git blame > > > > > > > > -1 on rewriting Kafka in Java > > > > +1 on upping our Scala game (as Ismael pointed out) > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Jason Gustafson <ja...@confluent.io > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Can the java code be indented without affecting the results of git > > > blame? > > > > > If not, then I'd vote to leave it as it is. > > > > > > > > > > (Also +1 on rewriting Kafka in Java) > > > > > > > > > > -Jason > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Aditya Auradkar < > > > > > aaurad...@linkedin.com.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Bump. Anyone else have an opinion? > > > > > > > > > > > > Neha/Jay - You've made your thoughts clear. Any thoughts on > how/if > > we > > > > > make > > > > > > any changes? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Aditya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Aditya Auradkar < > > > > > aaurad...@linkedin.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm with Neha on this one. I don't have a strong preference on > 2 > > > vs 4 > > > > > but > > > > > > > I do think that consistency is more important. It makes writing > > > code > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > easier especially since patches are increasingly likely to > touch > > > both > > > > > > Java > > > > > > > and Scala code and it's nice to not think about formatting > > certain > > > > > files > > > > > > > differently from others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aditya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Jay Kreps <j...@confluent.io> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ismael, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Makes sense. I think there is a good chance that it is just > our > > > > > > ignorance > > > > > > >> of scala tools. I really do like having compile time enforced > > > > > formatting > > > > > > >> and dependency checking as we have for java. But we really put > > no > > > > > effort > > > > > > >> into trying to improve the scala developer experience so it > may > > be > > > > an > > > > > > >> unfair comparison. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> -Jay > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Ismael Juma < > ism...@juma.me.uk > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Jay Kreps < > j...@confluent.io> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > I do agree that working with a mixture of scala and java > is > > a > > > > pain > > > > > > in > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > >> > > butt. What about considering the more extreme idea of just > > > > moving > > > > > > the > > > > > > >> > > remaining server-side scala into java? I like Scala, but > the > > > > > tooling > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > >> > > compatibility story for java is better, and Java 8 > addressed > > > > some > > > > > of > > > > > > >> the > > > > > > >> > > gaps. For a system like Kafka I do kind of think that what > > > Scala > > > > > > >> offers > > > > > > >> > is > > > > > > >> > > less useful, and the kind of boring Java tooling like IDE > > > > support, > > > > > > >> > > findbugs, checkstyle, simple exception stack traces, and a > > > good > > > > > > >> > > compatability story is more important. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > I can certainly see the case for avoiding the complexity of > > two > > > > > > >> different > > > > > > >> > languages (assuming that the benefits are not worth it). > > > However, > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > >> not > > > > > > >> > sure about the "findbugs, checkstyle" point. Static checking > > is > > > an > > > > > > area > > > > > > >> > that Scala does quite well (better than Java in many ways): > > > > > > scalastyle, > > > > > > >> > abide, scalariform, wartremover, scapegoat, etc. And Scala > > 2.11 > > > > also > > > > > > >> has a > > > > > > >> > number of Xlint warnings. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Best, > > > > > > >> > Ismael > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Regards, > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Grant Henke > > Software Engineer | Cloudera > > gr...@cloudera.com | twitter.com/gchenke | linkedin.com/in/granthenke > > > -- Thanks, Neha
