Hi Jun,

Thanks for the reply.

RE JR4: Sounds good. I have added this user experience to the KIP.

Best,
Kevin Wu

On Fri, May 1, 2026 at 12:33 PM Jun Rao via dev <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Hi, Kevin,
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> JR4. Your explanation makes sense. Perhaps we could add another user
> experience: "Remove a KRaft voter in a dynamic quorum and keep it
> registered as an observer controller". In this case, the user will run
> `kafka-metadata-quorum remove-controller` without the `--unregister` flag.
>
> Jun
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 4:59 PM Kevin Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jun,
> >
> > Thanks for the reply.
> >
> > RE JR4: To me, the main motivation for having an explicit `--unregister`
> > flag is that `remove-controller` and `unregister-controller` assume two
> > different things about the supplied node. For removing a node from the
> > KRaft voter set, no assumption is made about whether the node is running
> > anymore -- Kafka supports either case. However, the act of unregistering
> a
> > controller requires assuming that the node will "not be around soon."
> This
> > is because subsequent feature upgrades will no longer consider the
> > supported levels of an unregistered controller.
> >
> > An operator may decide to keep a node around as an observer, possibly
> with
> > the intention to make it a voter in the future. Making the unregistration
> > always occur alongside voter removal would make the observer controller
> in
> > the example above unregister and then re-register because the node is
> still
> > around. This allows for the feature upgrade race I mentioned previously
> > (i.e. controller unregisters, operator upgrades a feature that should not
> > be supported, controller re-registers). Therefore, I think we should have
> > an explicit `--unregister` flag for `remove-controller` since the
> > assumptions around the state of the cluster change compared to the base
> > command. What do you think?
> >
> > RE JR5: Yeah, I believe so. Thanks for catching this case. One could
> > specify controller.quorum.bootstrap.servers instead of
> > controller.quorum.voters on a controller in a static quorum. This would
> be
> > a valid static config that passes the check in
> >
> >
> `KafkaConfig#validateControllerQuorumVotersMustContainNodeIdForKRaftController`.
> > I have updated the KIP with these changes.
> >
> > RE JR6: Yes, it should say "every Kafka node." I have updated the KIP to
> > fix this.
> >
> > Best,
> > Kevin Wu
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 6:12 PM Jun Rao via dev <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Kevin,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reply.
> > >
> > > JR4. Is there a use case for `kafka-metadata-quorum remove-controller`
> > > without the `--unregister` flag? If not, could we remove the
> --unregister
> > > flag?
> > >
> > > JR5. For the second user experience "Unregister an observer controller
> > in a
> > > dynamic quorum", one can have and remove an observer controller in the
> > > static quorum too, right?
> > >
> > > JR6. "Ensure the stopped voter is not part of controller.quorum.voters
> on
> > > any other Kafka nodes"
> > > "any other Kafka nodes" should be "every Kafka node", right?
> > >
> > > Jun
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 1:33 PM Kevin Wu <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Jun,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the feedback.
> > > >
> > > > I have updated the KIP to make a separate section detailing the user
> > > > experience.
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Kevin Wu
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 12:05 PM Jun Rao via dev <
> [email protected]
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, Kevin,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the reply.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be useful to have a separate user experience section that
> > > > > documents the steps for common scenarios involving the tools.
> > > > >
> > > > > The scenarios are:
> > > > > 1. Remove a voter in dynamic KRaft quorum
> > > > > stop the voter
> > > > > run kafka-metadata-quorum remove-controller with --unregister
> > > > > 2. Unregister an observer controller
> > > > > stop the observer
> > > > > run kafka-cluster unregister-controller
> > > > > 3. Unregister a voter in a static KRaft quorum when the static
> voter
> > > set
> > > > is
> > > > > mistakenly configured.
> > > > > stop the voter
> > > > > run kafka-cluster unregister-controller
> > > > > remove voter from controller.quorum.voters ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jun
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2026 at 11:49 AM Kevin Wu <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Jun,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the discussion.
> > > > > > Yeah, those are the scenarios for using these tools. I have
> > > documented
> > > > > > their usage in the KIP.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > Kevin Wu
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 11:51 AM Jun Rao via dev <
> > > [email protected]
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi, Kevin,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for the reply.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your suggestion sounds good to me. It would be useful to
> document
> > > the
> > > > > > usage
> > > > > > > of those tools. The scenarios are:
> > > > > > > 1. Remove a voter in dynamic KRaft quorum
> > > > > > > 2. Unregister an observer controller
> > > > > > > 3. Unregister a voter in a static KRaft quorum when the static
> > > voter
> > > > > set
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > mistakenly configured.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For item 3, could you document how it works? Does one need to
> > stop
> > > > the
> > > > > > > misconfigured voter first and then unregister it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Are there other scenarios?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jun
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2026 at 8:22 AM Kevin Wu <
> [email protected]
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Jun,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for the replies.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > RE JR3: I would like the design of this feature to not
> > introduce
> > > > more
> > > > > > > > coupling of the KRaft and metadata layers. Observer
> controllers
> > > are
> > > > > > > > supported, but they are a KRaft concept, so it should not be
> > > known
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > metadata layer whether or not a given controller is a voter
> or
> > > > > > observer.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do you think about the following documentation and
> > execution
> > > > > > pattern
> > > > > > > > regarding these CLI commands?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > `kafka-cluster unregister-controller` is a command for users
> > when
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > to unregister a controller from the cluster. We can document
> > that
> > > > > this
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > potentially unsafe and should only be done if the operator
> does
> > > not
> > > > > > > intend
> > > > > > > > to bring back up that controller. `kafka-cluster
> > > > > unregister-controller`
> > > > > > > > works irrespective of the quorum mode.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Going forward, running `kafka-metadata-quorum
> > remove-controller`
> > > > > > removes
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > controller as a KRaft voter, and continues to only be
> supported
> > > in
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > dynamic quorum cluster. I still think the unregistering
> > behavior
> > > > > should
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > an additional flag, because having an observer controller
> that
> > is
> > > > > still
> > > > > > > > registered to the cluster is a valid configuration in Kafka.
> I
> > > > think
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > `kafka-metadata-quorum remove-controller --unregister` as a
> > > > > "built-in"
> > > > > > > CLI
> > > > > > > > script, since removing a voter and unregistering it from the
> > > > cluster
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > probably a very common usage pattern. This command will only
> > send
> > > > > > > > UnregisterController RPC if the cluster supports dynamic
> > quorum,
> > > so
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > overall command behavior is consistent with how it is today
> > with
> > > > > > respect
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > the kraft.version level of the cluster. If the cluster does
> not
> > > > > support
> > > > > > > > dynamic quorum, the CLI can direct the user to instead run
> the
> > > > > > > > `kafka-cluster unregister-controller` command.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > Kevin Wu
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 5:39 PM Jun Rao via dev <
> > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi, Kevin,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > JR2. Good point on auto-join. I think we can introduce the
> > > > > > > > > new UnregisterControllerRequest and keep the auto-join
> > behavior
> > > > as
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > (i.e., without unregistering the controller when removing
> the
> > > old
> > > > > > > > instance
> > > > > > > > > from the voter). The command "kafka-metadata-quorum
> > > > > > remove-controller"
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > send two separate RPC requests, RemoveRaftVoterRequest and
> > > > > > > > > UnregisterControllerRequest as documented in the KIP.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > JR3. When will a user use the command "kafka-cluster
> > > > > > > > > unregister-controller"? Is this only for unregistering an
> > > > observer
> > > > > > > > > controller? If the observer controller is currently
> > supported,
> > > we
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > add
> > > > > > > > > that command. It would be useful to document the usage for
> > both
> > > > > > > commands.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jun
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 9:25 AM Kevin Wu <
> > > [email protected]
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Jun,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > RE JR1: Yeah, I will update KIP to touch on this static
> > > quorum
> > > > > edge
> > > > > > > > case.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > RE JR2: That seems reasonable to me, since we would avoid
> > two
> > > > RPC
> > > > > > > hops
> > > > > > > > > (one
> > > > > > > > > > for RemoveVoter, one for UnregisterController). One thing
> > to
> > > > note
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > with KIP-1186
> > > > > > > > > > <
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1186*3A*Update*AddRaftVoterRequest*RPC*to*support*auto-join__;JSsrKysrKw!!Ayb5sqE7!phwOrPrBZoQb1P44rCfpPBt74v80NjCTOGhgaRQx1XFXCy1x61QR9b9xw3zfvo-aFvVsFYczOxbTVtGeJkFHCg$
> > > > > > > > > > >,
> > > > > > > > > > besides operators manually removing controllers, observer
> > > > > > controllers
> > > > > > > > > > themselves can send `RemoveRaftVoter` to remove their old
> > > > > > > incarnations
> > > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > the voter set as part of the auto-join feature. With
> > > auto-join
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > proposed behavior, explicitly removing a controller's old
> > > > > > > registration
> > > > > > > > > > alongside its old voter set entry can lead to
> "unsupported"
> > > > > > upgrades
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > cluster. An operator doing these steps manually can be
> > argued
> > > > as
> > > > > > > > > > misconfiguring the cluster, but the auto-join feature
> > > allowing
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > scenario seems like a bug.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Consider the below example with auto-join enabled: 3
> > > > controllers
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > voter set (A,B,C) where A supports feature levels
> X=[0-1],
> > B
> > > > > > supports
> > > > > > > > > > feature levels X=[0-1], but C only supports X=0.
> Currently,
> > > > node
> > > > > A
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > active controller, all 3 controllers are registered, but
> > > > > upgrading
> > > > > > > > > feature
> > > > > > > > > > X to feature level 1 is not supported because C does not
> > > > support
> > > > > > it.
> > > > > > > > > > Controller C restarts with a new disk (now represented as
> > > C').
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > auto-join code runs to first remove C from the voter set,
> > and
> > > > > then
> > > > > > > > remove
> > > > > > > > > > the registration for C. These records are committed via
> > > nodes A
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > B.
> > > > > > > > > Now,
> > > > > > > > > > from the active controller's perspective, the cluster
> does
> > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > upgrading feature X to level 1. There is a race between
> C'
> > > > adding
> > > > > > > > itself
> > > > > > > > > > back to the KRaft voter set and re-registering itself,
> and
> > a
> > > > > > > potential
> > > > > > > > > > feature level upgrade. Another interesting thing to note
> > > after
> > > > > > > looking
> > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > the code is that controllers can register even if they do
> > not
> > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > finalized features of the cluster, which is different
> from
> > > > broker
> > > > > > > > > > registration. In Kafka's current code, the original
> > > > registration
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > C
> > > > > > > > > > stays in the log after C is removed as a voter by
> > auto-join,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > prevents
> > > > > > > > > > an upgrade of feature X. At some point, the registration
> > for
> > > C
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > updated
> > > > > > > > > > by C' because C' is a different process incarnation, but
> a
> > > > > > > registration
> > > > > > > > > > that blocks X's upgrade is always in the log.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Therefore, Kafka should not unregister a controller when
> > > > > auto-join
> > > > > > > > > removes
> > > > > > > > > > a controller from the voter set. This means including a
> new
> > > RPC
> > > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > `RemoveRaftVoter` that introduces a boolean field telling
> > the
> > > > > > active
> > > > > > > > > > controller whether to also unregister the controller.
> This
> > > > field
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > completely ignored by the raft layer, and instead would
> be
> > > > > handled
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > ControllerApis level. I think it is fine to unregister a
> > > > > controller
> > > > > > > > > > whenever the operator runs `kafka-metadata-quorum
> > > > > > remove-controller`
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > smooth UX with dynamic quorum. What do you think?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > RE JR3: Maybe we can document this better as part of the
> > code
> > > > > > changes
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > this KIP, but in my opinion, the kafka-cluster tool deals
> > > with
> > > > > > > cluster
> > > > > > > > > > membership (brokers and controllers), which is a metadata
> > > layer
> > > > > > > > concept.
> > > > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > > you look at the `list-endpoints` command, you can list
> out
> > > the
> > > > > > > > registered
> > > > > > > > > > controller endpoints. Alternatively, the
> > > kafka-metadata-quorum
> > > > > tool
> > > > > > > > deals
> > > > > > > > > > with KRaft, which knows about concepts like leader,
> voter,
> > > and
> > > > > > > > observers.
> > > > > > > > > > The `add-controller` and `remove-controller` sub-commands
> > > > > > > inadvertently
> > > > > > > > > > deal with controllers (since controllers can be voters),
> > but
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > `describe`
> > > > > > > > > > sub-command tree also shows information about brokers,
> > which
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > > observers
> > > > > > > > > > to KRaft. My decision to include the
> > `unregister-controller`
> > > > > > command
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > `kafka-cluster` tool is mainly motivated by this
> > distinction.
> > > > > > > > > Additionally,
> > > > > > > > > > if we only send `RemoveVoterRequest` in
> > `remove-controller`,
> > > it
> > > > > > seems
> > > > > > > > > hacky
> > > > > > > > > > to direct users to use that command for unregistering any
> > > > > > controller,
> > > > > > > > > since
> > > > > > > > > > for observers, the remove voter logic of that request
> will
> > > > always
> > > > > > > fail
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the raft layer. What do you think?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > Kevin Wu
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2026 at 8:17 AM Paolo Patierno <
> > > > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Kevin,
> > > > > > > > > > > thanks for the KIP.
> > > > > > > > > > > From reading it, it's not clear because not explicit,
> > but I
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > assume
> > > > > > > > > > > you are going to expose a new unregisterController
> method
> > > > > through
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > AdminClient API as well, is my assumption right?
> > > > > > > > > > > I expect it would be used underneath by the tools you
> are
> > > > going
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > modify.
> > > > > > > > > > > Having such support within the AdminClient API is
> > important
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > operator is not a human to run the tool but a
> Kubernetes
> > > > > operator
> > > > > > > > (i.e.
> > > > > > > > > > > Strimzi) with the need to unregister a controller.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > > Paolo.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 20 Apr 2026 at 21:57, Kevin Wu <
> > > > [email protected]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jun,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > RE JR1: I would say the main use case is dynamic
> > quorums,
> > > > > since
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > concept
> > > > > > > > > > > > of the observer controller becomes a thing in that
> > world.
> > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > a static quorum edge case if the operator
> misconfigures
> > > > > > > > > > > > `controller.quorum.voters`. If a new controller voter
> > > > > > mistakenly
> > > > > > > > > joins
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > cluster, it will also persist a registration record.
> In
> > > my
> > > > > > > opinion,
> > > > > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > > > > should be a way to remove a controller registration
> via
> > > > > > > AdminClient
> > > > > > > > > CLI
> > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > all quorum modes.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > RE JR2: Yes, the existing command only removes the
> > voter,
> > > > but
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > > unregister the controller. I left it as a separate
> flag
> > > for
> > > > > now
> > > > > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > they are "separate" operations in that being a raft
> > voter
> > > > is
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > subset
> > > > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > being a controller in dynamic quorums, but I am not
> > > opposed
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > making
> > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > command try to do both (remove voter and unregister
> the
> > > > > > > controller)
> > > > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > > default. In my opinion, an observer controller is
> > > "useless"
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > > > > > > not participate in the leader election or replication
> > > parts
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > KRaft
> > > > > > > > > > > > protocol, so I see no issue with doing both
> operations
> > > > > always.
> > > > > > > > > However,
> > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > > operator may want observer controllers around for
> other
> > > > > reasons
> > > > > > > > like
> > > > > > > > > > > > redundancy. Do you (or others) have any insight into
> > how
> > > > > users
> > > > > > > may
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > configuring clusters with observer controllers? If
> > not, I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > okay
> > > > > > > > > > > > to remove the flag and make it the default behavior
> of
> > > > > > > > > > > > `kafka-metadata-quorum remove-controller`.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > RE JR3: Not exactly. The `kafka-metadata-quorum
> > > > > > remove-controller
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > --unregister` sends 2 RPCs to the active controller,
> > one
> > > to
> > > > > > > remove
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > node
> > > > > > > > > > > > from the voter set, and another to unregister the
> node.
> > > The
> > > > > > > > > > > `kafka-cluster
> > > > > > > > > > > > unregister-controller` command just sends 1 RPC to
> the
> > > > active
> > > > > > > > > > controller
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > unregister the node. My motivation for having two
> > > separate
> > > > > > > commands
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > > > because `remove-controller` is associated with
> dynamic
> > > > > quorum,
> > > > > > > > since
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > `RemoveRaftVoterRPC` will fail if the
> kraft.version=0.
> > > What
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > think?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > RE JR4: I have updated the sections for the CLI
> > commands
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > KIP
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > add
> > > > > > > > > > > > this information.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > RE JR5: This is describing the current implementation
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > ControllerRegistrationManager, which will listen to
> the
> > > > > > metadata
> > > > > > > > log
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > send ControllerRegistrationRequest when the local
> node
> > id
> > > > is
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > registered
> > > > > > > > > > > > in the log. It looks like this is slightly different
> > from
> > > > how
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > handle
> > > > > > > > > > > > broker registration in BrokerLifecycleManager.
> > Currently,
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > code
> > > > > > > > > > path
> > > > > > > > > > > > never executes because controller registrations
> cannot
> > be
> > > > > > > removed.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Kevin Wu
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 2:08 PM Jun Rao via dev <
> > > > > > > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Kevin,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the KIP. A few comments.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > JR1. I guess this is only intended for dynamic
> KRaft
> > > > > quorums?
> > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > > so,
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > would be useful to clarify that.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > JR2. kafka-metadata-quorum remove-controller
> > > > > --controller-id
> > > > > > > 9990
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --controller-directory-id EXAMPLE_UUID --unregister
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So, the existing remove-controller logic only
> changes
> > > the
> > > > > > voter
> > > > > > > > > set,
> > > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't unregister the controller? Should we just
> > > always
> > > > do
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > together? Is there a use case for only removing a
> > > > > controller
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > voter
> > > > > > > > > > > > > set, but not unregsitering?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > JR3. Is kafka-cluster unregister-controller
> > equivalent
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > kafka-metadata-quorum remove-controller
> > --controller-id
> > > > > 9990
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --controller-directory-id EXAMPLE_UUID
> --unregister?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > JR4. Could you describe the underlying workflow for
> > > each
> > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > command
> > > > > > > > > > > > (RPCs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sent, metadata records generated, actions taken by
> > the
> > > > > > > > controller,
> > > > > > > > > > > etc)?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > JR5. "The registration manager of an unregistered
> > > > > controller
> > > > > > > > > already
> > > > > > > > > > > > > attempts to re-register with the active controller.
> > > This
> > > > is
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > prevent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > accidental unregistrations."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't quite understand this. Why will an
> > unregistered
> > > > > > > > controller
> > > > > > > > > > > > attempt
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to re-register?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jun
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2026 at 11:31 AM Kevin Wu <
> > > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to start a discussion on KIP-1312:
> > > Support
> > > > > > > > > > unregistering
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > controllers. Below is the KIP link.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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