Thanks for the feedback folks.

*Jun*
10. Fixed it. It now says 2 as the new default for recovery threads.

11. I have added a sentence that we will apply the defaults for both broker
level and equivalent topic level configs. I have further added both the
broker level and the topic level config to the table. For example, you may
notice (message.timestamp.after.max.ms / log.message.timestamp.after.max.ms).
Furthermore, the constraints will apply (similar to constraints today) when
validating dynamically changed configuration and also when validating
static configuration (such as server.properties). Please let me know if I
have missed anything.

12. In the interest of time, I have removed the constraint proposal for rf
>= min.insync.replicas. We will circle back on it in a separate KIP.

*Luke*

10 and 12 above should align with what you suggested.

--
Divij Vaidya



On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 4:00 AM Luke Chen <show...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Divij and Jun,
>
> Thanks for your comments.
> I'm good we put the default value of num.recovery.threads.per.data.dir to 2
> since there are many factors that need to be considered.
>
> And James, good point of min.insync.replicas validation. If it's
> complicated or will confuse users, I'd propose we leave it out of v4.0.0.
>
> Thanks.
> Luke
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 2:31 AM Jun Rao <j...@confluent.io.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Hi, Divij,
> >
> > Thanks for the reply. A few more comments.
> >
> > 10. num.recovery.threads.per.data.dir still seems to depend on the number
> > of cores.
> >
> > 11. Some of the configs on the server side exist at different levels
> > (static, broker, topic, etc) with slightly different names. It would be
> > useful to be clear at what level the new default and the constraint
> apply.
> >
> > 12. James had a good point on min.insync.replicas. It would be useful to
> > define when the constraint applies (topic creation, config changes, etc).
> > For example, if the broker-level min.insync.replicas value is changed to
> 2,
> > what happens to existing topics with replication factor 1? If a topic has
> > min.insync.replicas of 2, what happens to an AlterPartitionReassignments
> > request that wants to reduce the replication factor to 1?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jun
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 9:57 AM Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Jun
> > >
> > > Thank you for the feedback. I have removed the configuration changes
> > where
> > > we are relying on num cores. The only change I have kept is increasing
> > > recovery threads to 2 (from 1 as default).
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > Thank you for bringing the JIRA to my attention. I haven't looked
> deeply
> > > into the implementation but based on my understanding of the Kafka code
> > > base, I do believe that there is a path to implement this constraint.
> We
> > > will cross that bridge during the implementation phase and I will
> ensure
> > > that I look at the historical context you provided in the JIRA.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Divij Vaidya
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 23, 2024 at 6:48 AM James Cheng <wushuja...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > About replication.factor >= min.insync.replicas change, you should
> look
> > > at
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-4680 . That JIRA talks
> > about
> > > > some of the complexities of detecting it. For example, what if a
> topic
> > > has
> > > > replication factor 1, but someone changes the broker-level
> > > > min.insync.replicas value to 2? How would that be detected?
> > > >
> > > > That JIRA has an associated PR. The PR has some comments that link to
> > > > discussions on this mailing list.
> > > >
> > > > That PR, btw, was just closed due to being stale.
> > > >
> > > > -James
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Nov 18, 2024, at 2:15 AM, Divij Vaidya <divijvaidy...@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey folks
> > > > >
> > > > > With 4.0, we have an opportunity to reset the default values and
> add
> > > > > constraints in the configurations based on our learnings since 3.0.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's a KIP which modifies defaults for some properties and
> modifies
> > > the
> > > > > constraints for a few others.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1030%3A+Change+constraints+and+default+values+for+various+configurations
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking forward for your feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > (Previous discussion thread on this topic -
> > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/3dx9mdmsqf8pko9xdmhks80k96g650zp )
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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