hi Bruno > My assumption was that public APIs are about how to use Kafka, not about how to build it.
I've seen many CI pipelines for Kafka-related systems relying on Kafka's Gradle commands, so I'm hesitant to break the build command abruptly. This is also why we didn't remove ./gradlewAll ( https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/17313#discussion_r1781202353). > Isn't the build system an "implementation detail" that can be swapped out without a formal deprecation process, i.e., without waiting for a major release? Sorry, I shouldn't have used the term 'public API' - of course, we can change them without waiting for a major release. However, it's always better to provide a way (or script) to reduce the inconvenience for users (like gradlewAll) > Said that, if we decide that we want a new build system, I am -- of course -- in favor of having both build systems for a while. Yes, and we could add appropriate warning messages to notify users about the deprecated build commands. Best, Chia-Ping Bruno Cadonna <cado...@apache.org> 於 2024年11月23日 週六 下午11:30寫道： > Hi Chia-Ping, > > I have a question regarding the following comment: > > > CP1: Gradle commands are part of the public API, so in which Kafka > version should we announce the deprecation of Gradle commands? > > It is the first time I hear that Gradle commands are part of the public > API. > Could you elaborate on this? > Where is this documented? > > My assumption was that public APIs are about how to use Kafka, not about > how to build it. Isn't the build system an "implementation detail" that > can be swapped out without a formal deprecation process, i.e., without > waiting for a major release? > Said that, if we decide that we want a new build system, I am -- of > course -- in favor of having both build systems for a while. > > Best, > Bruno > > > > > > > On 22.11.24 04:39, Chia-Ping Tsai wrote: > > hi Vince > > > > Thanks for introducing this interesting KIP! I'm not an expert in Bazel, > so please be patient with my potentially odd questions: > > > > CP0: Can Bazel help simplify build.gradle (currently around 3826 lines)? > > > > CP1: Gradle commands are part of the public API, so in which Kafka > version should we announce the deprecation of Gradle commands? > > > > CP2: The example (https://github.com/confluentinc/kafka-bazel) seems to > modify the folder structure of the entire Kafka project. Is this change > required? My concern is that such a major change should be done in a major > release. If restructuring is a requirement for Bazel, does that mean we > have to accept it after this KIP pass? > > > > Best, > > Chia-Ping > > > > On 2024/11/21 21:16:50 Vince Rose wrote: > >> Hey devs, > >> > >> I want to start a discussion about introducing Bazel as a build system > for > >> Apache Kafka. > >> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-1115%3A+Bazel+Builds > >> > >> -Vince > >> > >
