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Jiang Wu commented on KAFKA-1555: --------------------------------- Jun, We may need to tolerate more than R-1 failures that are spread over a long time period, for example, all brokers are restarted in turn in 20 minutes. Our concern with acks=-1 is that, it can happen that only 1 broker is in ISR, therefore a published message may have only one copy. Lossing that copy results in the message loss permanently. For ack=2, I'm considering two approaches to avoid a lagged replica to be elected as new leader: 1. set replica.lag.max.messages=0. When new leader election happens, first update the ISR list. The replica without the lastest message will be removed out of ISR and has not chance to be new leader. 2. When new leader election happens, choose the replica with more messages as the new leader. Could you comment on the approaches? Regards, Jiang > provide strong consistency with reasonable availability > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: KAFKA-1555 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-1555 > Project: Kafka > Issue Type: Improvement > Components: controller > Affects Versions: 0.8.1.1 > Reporter: Jiang Wu > Assignee: Neha Narkhede > > In a mission critical application, we expect a kafka cluster with 3 brokers > can satisfy two requirements: > 1. When 1 broker is down, no message loss or service blocking happens. > 2. In worse cases such as two brokers are down, service can be blocked, but > no message loss happens. > We found that current kafka versoin (0.8.1.1) cannot achieve the requirements > due to its three behaviors: > 1. when choosing a new leader from 2 followers in ISR, the one with less > messages may be chosen as the leader. > 2. even when replica.lag.max.messages=0, a follower can stay in ISR when it > has less messages than the leader. > 3. ISR can contains only 1 broker, therefore acknowledged messages may be > stored in only 1 broker. > The following is an analytical proof. > We consider a cluster with 3 brokers and a topic with 3 replicas, and assume > that at the beginning, all 3 replicas, leader A, followers B and C, are in > sync, i.e., they have the same messages and are all in ISR. > According to the value of request.required.acks (acks for short), there are > the following cases. > 1. acks=0, 1, 3. Obviously these settings do not satisfy the requirement. > 2. acks=2. Producer sends a message m. It's acknowledged by A and B. At this > time, although C hasn't received m, C is still in ISR. If A is killed, C can > be elected as the new leader, and consumers will miss m. > 3. acks=-1. B and C restart and are removed from ISR. Producer sends a > message m to A, and receives an acknowledgement. Disk failure happens in A > before B and C replicate m. Message m is lost. > In summary, any existing configuration cannot satisfy the requirements. -- This message was sent by Atlassian JIRA (v6.2#6252)