Hi Mickael,

FYI - I just merged the two PRs for KIP-915 to trunk/3.5. We are all good.

Cheers,
David

On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 5:10 PM Mickael Maison <mickael.mai...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> I was looking at that just now! As you said, the PRs merged provide
> some functionality so I think it's fine to deliver the KIP across 2
> releases.
> I left a comment in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-14876
> to document what's in 3.5.
>
> Thanks,
> Mickael
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2023 at 5:05 PM Chris Egerton <chr...@aiven.io.invalid>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mickael,
> >
> > It looks like we missed the feature freeze cutoff for part but not all of
> > KIP-875 [1]. The features we've been able to merge so far are the new
> > STOPPED state for connectors [2] and the API for reading offsets [3]. The
> > features we have not been able to merge yet are the APIs for altering and
> > resetting offsets.
> >
> > The already-merged features are useful on their own and I believe it
> should
> > be acceptable to release them separately from the not-yet-merged ones,
> but
> > wanted to double-check with you that it's alright to split this KIP
> across
> > two or more releases, starting with 3.5.0.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > [1] -
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/KIP-875%3A+First-class+offsets+support+in+Kafka+Connect
> > [2] - https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/13424
> > [3] - https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/13434
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 10:13 AM Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks a lot!
> > >
> > > On 4/14/23 5:32 AM, Mickael Maison wrote:
> > > > Hi Matthias,
> > > >
> > > > I merged the PR before cutting the 3.5 branch.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Mickael
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 2:31 PM Mickael Maison <
> mickael.mai...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi David,
> > > >>
> > > >> I've created the 3.5 branch. Feel free to cherry pick these 2
> commits
> > > >> when they are ready.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> Mickael
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:23 AM Satish Duggana
> > > >> <satish.dugg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks Luke for helping with the reviews and adding a few tests in
> a
> > > >>> couple of PRs.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi Mickael,
> > > >>> I raised 3 PRs recently for tiered storage, one is merged. The
> other 2
> > > >>> PRs are in the critical path of non-tiered storage changes also.
> > > >>> Especially, in consumer fetch and retention cleanup paths. These
> need
> > > >>> to be thoroughly reviewed and avoid any regressions in that area.
> We
> > > >>> should merge them to the trunk as soon as possible to make it
> easier
> > > >>> to work on follow-up PRs. IMO, we can avoid merging these PRs in
> 3.5
> > > >>> just before the release without baking for a longer duration. We
> can
> > > >>> take a call on this later after the reviews are done.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Many of the individual functionalities related to tiered storage
> like
> > > >>> default topic based RLMM implementation, enhanced follower fetch
> > > >>> protocol implementation for tiered storage, copying remote log
> > > >>> segments are merged.
> > > >>> There are 2 PRs for consumer fetch for remote record reads, remote
> > > >>> retention cleanup and topic deletion functionality are under
> review.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I do not think it can be considered as an early access review even
> > > >>> with the 2 PRs in review. Luke and I synced up and agreed on the
> same.
> > > >>> Most of the recent functionality is added with a few unit tests. We
> > > >>> plan to have follow-up PRs on the immediate pending items and also
> > > >>> raise PRs in the next few weeks on unit tests, integration test
> > > >>> framework and several integration tests for many of these
> > > >>> functionalities tying together.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thanks,
> > > >>> Satish.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 at 12:52, Matthias J. Sax <mj...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hey Mickael,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> we have one open PR for KIP-914 left. Would be great if you could
> > > merge
> > > >>>> it before cutting the 3.5 branch. If you don't want to merge it
> and
> > > >>>> prefer that I cherry-pick it to 3.5 branch later, also works for
> me.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I did close the ticket already as resolved. It's just a minor
> change
> > > the
> > > >>>> KIP.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/13565
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks a lot!
> > > >>>>     -Matthias
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 4/13/23 4:32 AM, David Jacot wrote:
> > > >>>>> Hi Mickael,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks for the heads up. As raised by Jeff earlier in this
> thread,
> > > we would
> > > >>>>> like to get the two small patches [1][2] for KIP-915 in 3.5. The
> PRs
> > > are in
> > > >>>>> review and I should be able to merge them in the next few days. I
> > > will
> > > >>>>> cherry-pick them to the release branch in your create it in the
> > > meantime.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/13511
> > > >>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/13526
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Best,
> > > >>>>> David
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 12:55 PM Mickael Maison <
> > > mickael.mai...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi Luke,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thanks for the heads up. This would be great to get Tiered
> Storage
> > > in
> > > >>>>>> Early Access. Let me know if you can't get everything done this
> > > week.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Mickael
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 12:54 PM Mickael Maison
> > > >>>>>> <mickael.mai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> We've now reached feature freeze for 3.5.0. From now on, only
> bug
> > > >>>>>>> fixes and changes related to stabilizing the release should be
> > > merged.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I plan to create the release branch tomorrow (Friday 14). After
> > > this
> > > >>>>>>> point, you'll have to cherry pick changes to the release branch
> > > when
> > > >>>>>>> merging a PR. I'll send another message once the branch has
> been
> > > >>>>>>> created.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I've updated the release plan and started moving KIPs that are
> not
> > > >>>>>>> complete to the postponed section. For now I've kept a few KIPs
> > > that
> > > >>>>>>> are still in progress. If they are not fully merged when I
> create a
> > > >>>>>>> branch, I'll mark them as postponed too.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> The next milestone is code freeze on April 26.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>> Mickael
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 12:24 PM Luke Chen <show...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Hi Mickael,
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> I'd like to ask for some more days for KIP-405 tiered storage
> PRs
> > > to
> > > >>>>>>>> include in v3.5.
> > > >>>>>>>> Currently, we have 1 PR under reviewing (
> > > >>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/kafka/pull/13535), and 1 PR soon
> will
> > > be
> > > >>>>>> opened
> > > >>>>>>>> for review.
> > > >>>>>>>> After these 2 PRs merged, we can have an "Early Access" for
> tiered
> > > >>>>>> storage
> > > >>>>>>>> feature, that allow users to use in non-production
> environments.
> > > >>>>>>>> Does that work for you?
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Thank you.
> > > >>>>>>>> Luke
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 2:49 AM Jeff Kim
> > > <jeff....@confluent.io.invalid
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Mickael,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Thank you.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > >>>>>>>>> Jeff
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 1:28 PM Mickael Maison <
> > > >>>>>> mickael.mai...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jeff,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Ok, I've added KIP-915 to the release plan.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Mickael
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2023 at 6:48 PM Jeff Kim
> > > >>>>>> <jeff....@confluent.io.invalid>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mickael,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I would like to bring up that KIP-915 proposes to patch 3.5
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> although it missed the KIP freeze date. If the patch is
> done
> > > >>>>>> before the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> feature freeze date, 4/13, would this be acceptable? If so,
> > > >>>>>> should this
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> be added to the 3.5.0 Release Plan wiki?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jeff
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 1:02 PM Greg Harris
> > > >>>>>>>>> <greg.har...@aiven.io.invalid
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Mickael,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Just wanted to let you know that I will not be including
> > > >>>>>> KIP-898 in
> > > >>>>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> 3.5.0 release.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I think the change needed is not reviewable before the
> feature
> > > >>>>>> freeze
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> deadline, and would take resources away from other more
> > > >>>>>> necessary
> > > >>>>>>>>>> changes.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 9:01 AM Chia-Ping Tsai <
> > > >>>>>> chia7...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have a KIP that is accepted, make sure it is
> listed
> > > >>>>>> in
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+3.5.0
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that it's status is accurate.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reminder. Have added KIP-641 to the list.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chia-Ping
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mickael Maison <mickael.mai...@gmail.com> 於 2023年3月23日
> > > >>>>>> 下午11:51
> > > >>>>>>>>> 寫道:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> KIP Freeze was yesterday. The next milestone is feature
> > > >>>>>> freeze on
> > > >>>>>>>>>> April
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 12.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you have a KIP that is accepted, make sure it is
> listed
> > > >>>>>> in
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+3.5.0
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that it's status is accurate.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mickael
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 6:22 PM Christo Lolov <
> > > >>>>>>>>>> christolo...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What would you suggest as the best way to get more
> eyes on
> > > >>>>>>>>>> KIP-902 as
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> would like it to be included it in 3.5.0?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christo
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 Mar 2023, at 10:33, Mickael Maison <
> > > >>>>>>>>>> mickael.mai...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a reminder that KIP freeze is less than a week
> > > >>>>>> away (22
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Mar).
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For a KIP to be considered for this release, it must
> be
> > > >>>>>> voted
> > > >>>>>>>>> and
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accepted by that date.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Feature freeze will be 3 weeks after this, so if you
> > > >>>>>> want KIPs
> > > >>>>>>>>> or
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other significant changes in the release, please get
> > > >>>>>> them ready
> > > >>>>>>>>>> soon.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mickael
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 10:44 PM Ismael Juma <
> > > >>>>>>>>> ism...@juma.me.uk
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ismael
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:07 PM Mickael Maison <
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mickael.mai...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ismael,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good call. I shifted all dates by 2 weeks and moved
> > > >>>>>> them to
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wednesdays.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mickael
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 6:01 PM Ismael Juma <
> > > >>>>>>>>> ism...@juma.me.uk
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Mickael. A couple of notes:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. We typically choose a Wednesday for the various
> > > >>>>>> freeze
> > > >>>>>>>>>> dates -
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> there
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often 1-2 day slips and it's better if that doesn't
> > > >>>>>> require
> > > >>>>>>>>>> people
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working through the weekend.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Looks like we're over a month later compared to
> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>> equivalent
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> release
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last year (
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+3.2.0
> > > >>>>>> ).
> > > >>>>>>>>>> I
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand that some of it is due to 3.4.0
> slipping,
> > > >>>>>> but I
> > > >>>>>>>>>> wonder
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> if we
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could perhaps aim for the KIP freeze to be one or
> two
> > > >>>>>> weeks
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> earlier.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ismael
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 8:00 AM Mickael Maison <
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mickael.mai...@gmail.com
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've created a release plan for 3.5.0 in the wiki:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+3.5.0
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Current dates are:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) KIP Freeze: 07 Apr 2023
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Feature Freeze: 27 Apr 2023
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) Code Freeze: 11 May 2023
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please take a look at the plan. Let me know if
> there
> > > >>>>>> are
> > > >>>>>>>>>> other
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> KIPs
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> targeting 3.5.0.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also if you are the author of one of the KIPs
> that's
> > > >>>>>>>>> missing
> > > >>>>>>>>>> a
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> status
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or the status is incorrect) please update it and
> > > >>>>>> let me
> > > >>>>>>>>>> know.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mickael
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 9:23 AM Bruno Cadonna <
> > > >>>>>>>>>> cado...@apache.org
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Mickael!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruno
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09.02.23 03:15, Luke Chen wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Mickael,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for volunteering!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luke
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 6:23 AM Chris Egerton <
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fearthecel...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for volunteering, Mickael!
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 1:12 PM José Armando
> García
> > > >>>>>>>>> Sancio
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jsan...@confluent.io.invalid> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for volunteering Mickael.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -José
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > >
>

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