Hi, I take the freedom to write on this list, even if I am not member of the JSPWiki team (actually I do not know the definition of JSPWiki team).
I have not the time to code a lot, but I'd like to add my ideas. If you think this is not good, then please do remove the following from https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Getting%20Involved "JSPWiki needs your help! You don't need to be a software developer to help -- we also need people to help with documentation, coding, usability and graphic design, wiki gardening, organizing volunteers, validating and managing bugs and ideas etc. The point really is that despite your skill levels at coding or the time you can afford to put into helping us, there's always something you can do!" As for the content of the discussion, I was not referring to David's content but to some other pages which do no more appear on RecentChanges. I still do not think that it is a good idea to open an apache.org hosted wiki for arbitrary content. Glen, if you do, please do install an instance of Apache Roller at apache.org and open it for the world to blog. Which ones of http://wiki.apache.org/general/ let you write without an account? As an example check the Tomcat Wiki and try to open an account: Unknown action newaccount. Greetings, Juergen Am 21.08.2014 23:26 schrieb "David Vittor" <dvit...@gmail.com>: > Hi All, > > Sorry about the spamming, I think that might have been me, trying to update > my page "David Vittor". > > I was putting a whole bunch of links to resource pages, that might be > useful for various plugins, and kept getting the SpamFilter message. > > I've stopped this now, so this should stop (if I was the culprit). > > I'll work on setting up my own wiki shortly, so that I can actually upload > my own plugins into it, and showcase them. This will reduce the changes I > need to make to the current public jspwiki. > > Although I do like the idea of a sandbox wiki, especially for new guys like > me. > > Kind regards, > David V > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Glen Mazza <glen.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > heavy = frequent. Not a bad thing at all, providing it's not spam. I > > didn't see any obvious spam from the commit list, so wasn't sure what > > Juergen was concerned about. > > > > I don't have a problem with people pages either. Ichiro's is > particularly > > good. > > > > Glen > > > > > > On 08/21/2014 03:18 PM, Harry Metske wrote: > > > >> I would like to stick with the setup we currently have, meaning: > >> * stick with one wiki, no additional wikis, not for docu, and sure not > for > >> a sandbox > >> * I am also fine with the "level of freedom" we currently have on the > >> wiki, > >> as JP says, the spam is almost nothing, I dont have more then 5 minutes > a > >> week doing gardening. > >> * can't comment on the licensing issues. > >> > >> People should be able to have their own pages, as long as it is not just > >> for testing ( I deleted a few of those last year). > >> I dont understand what is meant with the "heavy commits" > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> Harry > >> Op 21 aug. 2014 18:39 schreef "Glen Mazza" <glen.ma...@gmail.com>: > >> > >> We really don't need to be discussing marketing with Juergen, as he's > not > >>> yet on the team. As for his comment: "As for playing with the Wiki, > >>> there > >>> should be a Sandbox page, which would be world writeable and which > should > >>> be deleted by a batch job every hour or so", he's just being generous > >>> with > >>> other people's time and responsibilities (nobody, after all, is > stopping > >>> him from running his own public JSPWiki sandbox.) The team decides > >>> whether > >>> we want a Sandbox, and we've already determined earlier we don't want > to > >>> manage it and deal with the responsibilities and headaches of people > >>> uploading illegal or privacy-infringing content, that there is better > use > >>> of our limited time on the project, and that people can view our own > Wiki > >>> instance as well as test JSPWiki locally to confirm if they want it. > >>> > >>> Whether or not we have a sandbox or personal pages is an opportunity > >>> cost, > >>> marketing and legal matter that is not a concern of users, they don't > >>> need > >>> to get into that. Whether or not JSPWiki works, and how it works is > one > >>> thing for users to comment on, but marketing is not a user concern. > >>> > >>> Nonetheless I thank Juergen for noting the heavy commits recently > >>> (although from the link below I'm not sure what is the spam that he's > >>> talking about, it looks like normal commits), as it allowed me to > notice > >>> someone attaching non-Apache licensed material (a Dilbert cartoon). > >>> > >>> Glen > >>> > >>> > >>> On 08/21/2014 11:43 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez wrote: > >>> > >>> [Switching to dev, so everyone can hop in] > >>>> > >>>> As for now, we show an advice on the footer, stating that the content > is > >>>> AL; maybe we should reword that so it's made clearer, as it's seen on > >>>> every > >>>> page. If don't state that the content is AL there, I could upload my > own > >>>> plugin without knowing or linking the ContributedPlugins page and I > >>>> could > >>>> argue that the copyright notice wasn't visible. > >>>> > >>>> Regarding personal pages, right now, I'd leave them, as the > >>>> signal-to-noise > >>>> ratio is still high, and those pages link, or contain valuable > >>>> info/contributed plugins. If it worsens I'd be would be in favour of > >>>> being > >>>> stricter granting rw access, but for now it seems to me ok, as a > large % > >>>> of > >>>> those personal/sandbox pages are ending up in being proper > >>>> contributions. > >>>> In any case, I'm eager to hear what others think about this, and won't > >>>> mind > >>>> to change my opinion if enough people think we should be stricter / > >>>> would > >>>> be nice to have a sandbox wiki / etc. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> br, > >>>> juan pablo > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Jürgen Weber <juer...@jwi.de> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi Juan Pablo, > >>>> > >>>>> actually I think personal pages at an apache.org site is not a good > >>>>> idea. > >>>>> We should ask Glen about this. Especially reading what he wrote here: > >>>>> https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Diff.jsp?page= > >>>>> ContributedPlugins&r1=13&r2=12 > >>>>> > >>>>> One could even be more strict with added content and require that it > go > >>>>> via a JIRA attachment.. > >>>>> > >>>>> As for playing with the Wiki, there should be a Sandbox page, which > >>>>> would > >>>>> be world writeable and which should be deleted by a batch job every > >>>>> hour > >>>>> or > >>>>> so. > >>>>> > >>>>> But we should discuss this, either via a Jira or on dev. > >>>>> > >>>>> Greetings, Jürgen > >>>>> Am 19.08.2014 17:27 schrieb "Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez" < > >>>>> juanpablo.san...@gmail.com>: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Jürgen, > >>>>> > >>>>> thanks for looking into this! I've checked to see what type of > content > >>>>>> is > >>>>>> being posted, but they seem to me as personal/sandbox pages, created > >>>>>> from > >>>>>> different IPs, which was somewhat usual/normal when hosted at > >>>>>> www.jspwiki.org. Do you think the wiki should stick to > documentation > >>>>>> (or > >>>>>> perhaps we should use another wiki instance to host this kind of > >>>>>> pages)? As > >>>>>> it was difficult to get the VM and wiki running, we sticked to one > >>>>>> instance, but we could set up for another redirection if needed > >>>>>> (however, I > >>>>>> feel that this kind of decision should be made at dev@) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For now, let's wait to see how they evolve, or if new > spam-suspicious > >>>>>> pages are created. If they come to be spam, we could follow the same > >>>>>> policy > >>>>>> followed by the infra guys, that is, grant access to anyone who asks > >>>>>> on > >>>>>> dev@j.a.o, for instance, or whatever we decide at dev@.. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> cheers, > >>>>>> juan pablo > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Jürgen Weber <juer...@jwi.de> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Juan Pablo, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> looks like the jspwiki-wiki.apache.org is beeing spammed: > >>>>>>> https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/Wiki.jsp?page=RecentChanges > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I guess new users should be closed, which is a pity. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> How could one restrict the valid users? Only ones, that have > written > >>>>>>> something serious on the mailing list? Only G+ accounts? Only > apache > >>>>>>> accounts? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Greetings, Juergen > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > > >
