That's correct.

Folks, can we agree on how we want to approach the removal of the system
cache? Any objections to the plan I've suggested earlier? As a reminder,
here it is:
1. Write down the differences between the system cache and the metastorage,
and provide a transition guide for plugin developers.
2. Deprecate the system cache in 2.13.
3. Remove the system cache in one of the further releases. I don't think
it's reasonable to do this earlier than mid next year (even that is
potentially too early).

As for general compatibility requirements related to plugins, I think they
obviously should not be as strict as for the public API. It's
understandable that a method signature can be updated, or another similar
change can be made in internal APIs. However, changes like system cache
removal are much more critical, because a plugin might rely on it. It's our
responsibility as a good friendly community to provide a reasonable
alternative and a reasonable timeline for such a case.

-Val

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 8:56 AM Вячеслав Коптилин <slava.kopti...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Plugins have access to different internal Ignite components, such as
> security processor and others, and can extend the programmatic API of
> Ignite.
>
> > Where docs say that we, as a community, take responsibility to keep
> internals in the way plugin expect?
> Nikolay, it seems to me, that quoted text clearly states about that.
> Plugin has access to internal APIs and so it depends on it. If we want to
> be a friendly community then we should discuss such changes
> (removing/changing internal APIs) and provide a reasonable time in order to
> update such dependencies.
>
> I think no one in this topic is against removing sys-cache. The question
> is: is it suitable for the community to deprecate using system cache in
> 2.13 and removing it in 2.14 || 2.15?
> Am I missing something? Am I correct?
>
> Thanks,
> Slava.
>
>
> пн, 6 дек. 2021 г. в 15:00, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>:
>
> > Slava, I don’t get it.
> >
> > > Plugins have access to different internal Ignite components, such as
> > security processor and others, and can extend the programmatic API of
> > Ignite.
> >
> > Where docs say that we, as a community, take responsibility to keep
> > internals in the way plugin expect?
> >
> > > 6 дек. 2021 г., в 14:48, Вячеслав Коптилин <slava.kopti...@gmail.com>
> > написал(а):
> > >
> > > Hello Nikolay,
> > >
> > >>> plugin framework allows to implement internal components and use the
> > > internal API.
> > >> Can you please, point out to documentation or place in Ignite code
> that
> > > describe this behaviour?
> > >
> > > Looks like it states here
> https://ignite.apache.org/docs/latest/plugins
> > >
> > >> The Ignite plugin system allows you to extend the core functionality
> of
> > >> Ignite. Plugins have access to different internal Ignite components,
> > such
> > >> as security processor and others, and can extend the programmatic API
> of
> > >> Ignite.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > S.
> > >
> > >
> > > сб, 4 дек. 2021 г. в 14:54, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>:
> > >
> > >> Valentin
> > >>
> > >>> plugin framework allows to implement internal components and use the
> > >> internal API.
> > >>
> > >> Can you please, point out to documentation or place in Ignite code
> that
> > >> describe this behaviour?
> > >> AFAIK plugin can only use public API, internal API can be changed any
> > time
> > >> we want.
> > >>
> > >>> Folks, can anyone explain the rush?
> > >>
> > >> No rush from my side.
> > >>
> > >> Just want to understand your vision of integration points between
> Ignite
> > >> and plugins.
> > >>
> > >>> Is there any specific reason for it?
> > >>
> > >> Intention of IEP-80 is to improve Ignite codebase by removing
> abandoned
> > >> features.
> > >>
> > >>> But the fact is that there are users that can depend on the system
> > cache
> > >> via the plugin framework.
> > >>
> > >> Why this dependency can’t be changed to any regular cache?
> > >> Just replace `Ignite#cache` to `Ignite#getOrCreateCache` and that’s
> it.
> > >>
> > >> Do we have some special guarantees or logic besides system cache?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> 4 дек. 2021 г., в 02:14, Valentin Kulichenko <
> > >> valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com> написал(а):
> > >>>
> > >>> Nikolay, that's right, plugin framework allows to implement internal
> > >>> components and use the internal API. There is a difference between a
> > >> plugin
> > >>> and an extension that uses only public API
> > >>>
> > >>> Folks, can anyone explain the rush? Is there any specific reason for
> > it?
> > >>>
> > >>> I think we all agree that this is a good change - system cache has to
> > >> go. I
> > >>> guess technically it's not even a breaking change, because system
> cache
> > >> is
> > >>> not a public API feature. But the fact is that there are users that
> can
> > >>> depend on the system cache via the plugin framework. Let's be
> > respectful
> > >> to
> > >>> those users, provide a reasonable documented alternative and give
> time.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Val
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:18 AM Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I don’t understand how it possible.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Are you talking about plugin that uses some kind of internal API?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> 3 дек. 2021 г., в 18:50, Вячеслав Коптилин <
> slava.kopti...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >>>> написал(а):
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hello Nikolay,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If I am not mistaken, the method you mentioned, allows to create a
> > >> "user"
> > >>>>> cache that is available through public api for the user. This does
> > not
> > >>>>> cover the case when the plugin developer wants to hide such cache
> and
> > >>>>> protect it form the end user (at least, via public api).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>> S.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> пт, 3 дек. 2021 г., 14:15 Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Vyacheslav, Val, can you please clarify - What is the issue if
> > >>>> third-party
> > >>>>>> plugins will create «ignite-sys-cache» from the code?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Like just replacing `Ignite#cache` with the
> > `Ignite#getOrCreateCache`.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 2 дек. 2021 г., в 16:13, Вячеслав Коптилин <
> > slava.kopti...@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>>>> написал(а):
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hello Maxim,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I don't understand why you are using *backwards compatibility*
> for
> > >>>>>>> completely internal things.
> > >>>>>>>> Why you are thinking in terms of users usage when are talking
> > about
> > >>>>>>> ignite-sys-cache but not thinking when refactoring
> > >>>>>>> First of all, we are talking about all plugin developers. It does
> > not
> > >>>>>>> matter it is open-source or proprietary plugins.
> > >>>>>>> Honestly, I don't have a list of all possible plugins that have
> > >> already
> > >>>>>>> been developed and available under the ASF license, for instance.
> > >>>>>>> Do you have such a list? Can you be sure that this change will
> not
> > >>>> affect
> > >>>>>>> anyone?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I don't understand why you are using *backwards compatibility*
> for
> > >>>>>>> completely internal things.
> > >>>>>>>> Why you are thinking in terms of users usage when are talking
> > about
> > >>>>>>> ignite-sys-cache but not thinking when refactoring
> > >>>>>>> The system cache was the crucial thing in the architecture of
> > Apache
> > >>>>>> Ignite
> > >>>>>>> 1.x and 2.x (at least 2.1 - 2.11?)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> All the internals have been reworked and nobody even mentioned
> > that
> > >> it
> > >>>>>>> may affect some of the plugin developers.
> > >>>>>>> Yep, perhaps, some internal parts of Apache Ignite were reworked
> in
> > >>>> order
> > >>>>>>> to avoid using the system cache.
> > >>>>>>> However, it is still a part of Ignite and it works and can be
> used
> > in
> > >>>>>>> plugins.
> > >>>>>>> Honestly, the mentioned alternative, I mean the distributed
> > >>>> metastorage,
> > >>>>>> is
> > >>>>>>> the INTERNAL thing as well.
> > >>>>>>> It means that plugin developer depends on INTERNAL entities. (it
> > does
> > >>>> not
> > >>>>>>> matter system-cache/metastorage)
> > >>>>>>> IMHO, such questions should be CAREFULLY discussed with no rush.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I do not propose to rush with the ignite-sys-cache removal. I'd
> > like
> > >>>> to
> > >>>>>>> collect all the technical stuff that we depend on, fix all of
> them
> > >> and
> > >>>>>>> after everything will be ready do a final removal.
> > >>>>>>> Good! We are on the same page!
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 1. Add deprecation for the 2.12 release. I hope it is still
> > >> possible.
> > >>>>>>> If I am not mistaken, the code freeze was October 29. I think it
> is
> > >> too
> > >>>>>>> late to introduce this change. We can add deprecation for the
> 2.13
> > >>>>>> release.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Apache Ignite core still have some dependencies on
> > ignite-sys-cache
> > >>>> that
> > >>>>>>> should fix for 2.13
> > >>>>>>> Ok, I agree. We need to try to find out all edge cases and add
> new
> > >>>>>>> abilities to the metastorage in order to cover all known
> > >>>>>>> issues/requirements.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Remove the system cache in 2.14.
> > >>>>>>> It depends on our progress with improving the distributed
> > >> metastorage.
> > >>>> In
> > >>>>>>> general, I hope it will be possible.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>> S.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> чт, 2 дек. 2021 г. в 13:36, Maxim Muzafarov <mmu...@apache.org>:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Pavel,
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I don't understand why you are using *backwards compatibility*
> for
> > >>>>>>>> completely internal things. Why you are thinking in terms of
> users
> > >>>>>>>> usage when are talking about ignite-sys-cache but not thinking
> > when
> > >>>>>>>> refactoring, for instance, all the checkpoint classes? Take a
> look
> > >> at
> > >>>>>>>> the [1] issue. All the internals have been reworked and nobody
> > even
> > >>>>>>>> mentioned that it may affect some of the plugin developers. This
> > is
> > >>>>>>>> really strange, so I can't agree with you.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I do not propose to rush with the ignite-sys-cache removal. I'd
> > like
> > >>>>>>>> to collect all the technical stuff that we depend on, fix all of
> > >> them
> > >>>>>>>> and after everything will be ready do a final removal. Slava
> > already
> > >>>>>>>> mentioned some crucial cases, so I hope you and Val also help
> with
> > >> the
> > >>>>>>>> rest of them. Let's be more precise in terms *what we need to
> > fix*.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I've made some investigations related to the ignite-sys-cache
> and
> > >> here
> > >>>>>>>> is my proposal:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 1. Add deprecation for the 2.12 release. I hope it is still
> > >> possible.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 2. Apache Ignite core still have some dependencies on
> > >> ignite-sys-cache
> > >>>>>>>> that should fix for 2.13:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 2.1. CLUSTER_NAME property: when it's not set the `deploymentId`
> > of
> > >>>>>>>> system cache is used. Let's move it to metastorage.
> > >>>>>>>> 2.2. When the Security is enabled each compute task name (hash
> to
> > be
> > >>>>>>>> more precise) is written to the ignite-sys-cache [2]. From my
> > point
> > >> of
> > >>>>>>>> view, we can remove it in 2.13. Can anyone check?
> > >>>>>>>> 2.3. Slava mentioned some issues with the distributed
> metastorage
> > >> that
> > >>>>>>>> might be fixed. I think this is doable.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> 3. Remove the system cache in 2.14.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-13143
> > >>>>>>>> [2]
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> >
> https://github.com/apache/ignite/blob/master/modules/core/src/main/java/org/apache/ignite/internal/processors/task/GridTaskProcessor.java#L201
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Dec 2021 at 12:56, Pavel Tupitsyn <
> ptupit...@apache.org
> > >
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Maxim,
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> I don't think that we should wait for 3-rd party plugins to be
> > >>>> updated
> > >>>>>>>>>> this is an awful practice when the open-source product
> releases
> > >>>> depend
> > >>>>>>>>>> on some of the proprietary plugins
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> This makes no sense, sorry.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> It is not that we depend on 3rd party plugins.
> > >>>>>>>>> It is that *our users depend on us to preserve backwards
> > >>>>>> compatibility*.
> > >>>>>>>>> No one likes when their app breaks suddenly because of a
> library
> > >>>>>> update.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> We know about one use case for sys-cache in GridGain, but there
> > may
> > >>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>> more, no one knows.
> > >>>>>>>>> Every breaking change should be carried out carefully and
> > >> gradually.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 2, 2021 at 12:34 PM Maxim Muzafarov <
> > mmu...@apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Slava,
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the comments.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Maxim, the community must provide a reasonable time interval
> in
> > >>>>>>>> order to
> > >>>>>>>>>> notify all contributors and wait for updating all 3-rd party
> > >>>> plugins.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> This is not actually true. We must notify about changes as
> > earlier
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>>>>>>> possible and not only users but all the developers also.
> > However,
> > >> I
> > >>>>>>>>>> don't think that we should wait for 3-rd party plugins to be
> > >> updated
> > >>>>>>>>>> this is an awful practice when the open-source product
> releases
> > >>>> depend
> > >>>>>>>>>> on some of the proprietary plugins. There is no dependency
> > between
> > >>>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite releases and proprietary plugin releases. If
> > someone
> > >>>>>>>>>> desires to upgrade to a new version of Apache Ignite it can
> > update
> > >>>> its
> > >>>>>>>>>> plugins any time he likes.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> We just need to provide a window that is enough to cover all
> > >>>> related
> > >>>>>>>>>> issues.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Can you share all the issues you know, please?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> distributed meta storage does not provide the ability to
> > >> atomically
> > >>>>>>>>>> change several properties at the same time (there are no
> > >>>> transactions
> > >>>>>>>> on
> > >>>>>>>>>> this API).
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Can you share an example of what kind of properties we intend
> to
> > >>>>>>>>>> change at the same? Will it be enough to change them through a
> > >>>> single
> > >>>>>>>>>> thread (e.g. the discovery thread or the exchange thread)? I
> > agree
> > >>>>>>>>>> here that distributed metastorage should provide such an
> > ability,
> > >>>>>>>>>> however, I can't find any real examples for Apache Ignite
> > internal
> > >>>>>>>>>> needs. Please, share the details and let's fix it.
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 Dec 2021 at 23:19, Valentin Kulichenko
> > >>>>>>>>>> <valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Agree with Slava. Two months is not enough time, especially
> > >>>>>>>> considering
> > >>>>>>>>>>> that the system cache is not functionally equivalent to the
> > >>>>>>>> metastorage.
> > >>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>>>>>>>>>> suggest we do the following:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Write down the differences between the system cache and
> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> metastorage,
> > >>>>>>>>>>> and provide a transition guide for plugin developers.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Deprecate the system cache in 2.13.
> > >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Remove the system cache in one of the further releases. I
> > >> don't
> > >>>>>>>> think
> > >>>>>>>>>>> it's reasonable to do this earlier than mid next year (even
> > that
> > >> is
> > >>>>>>>>>>> potentially too early).
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> Removing the system cache is the right move, but let's be
> more
> > >>>>>>>>>> considerate
> > >>>>>>>>>>> to the users. There is absolutely no need to rush.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> -Val
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 7:28 AM Вячеслав Коптилин <
> > >>>>>>>>>> slava.kopti...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maxim,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, I don't see any valuable reason why the
> > >> change
> > >>>>>>>>>> can't
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> be done and we should wait for the future that never comes.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Maxim, the community must provide a reasonable time interval
> > in
> > >>>>>>>> order
> > >>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> notify all contributors and wait for updating all 3-rd party
> > >>>>>>>> plugins.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly, it does not seem to me that two, three months (the
> > >>>>>>>> current
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> timeline - end of March is the release date, so the end of
> Feb
> > >> is
> > >>>>>>>> code
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> freeze) are quite enough.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't see any reasons why we should keep something in the
> > >> CORE
> > >>>>>>>>>> module
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> that is being used at PLUGINS only. This is a lack of
> > >> architecture
> > >>>>>>>>>> design
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> that must be fixed for sure;
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you. We just need to provide a window that is
> > >> enough
> > >>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>> cover
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> all related issues.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> For example, distributed meta storage does not provide the
> > >> ability
> > >>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> atomically change several properties at the same time (there
> > are
> > >>>> no
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> transactions on this API).
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, it would be nice to plan to remove the system cache
> > on
> > >>>>>>>> 2.14 or
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> even 2.15. What do you think?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> S.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> вт, 30 нояб. 2021 г. в 13:58, Maxim Muzafarov <
> > >> mmu...@apache.org
> > >>>>> :
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Val,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for sharing the details. On the one hand, I agree
> > >> with
> > >>>>>>>> you
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> that there is no need to haste with this change and it must
> > be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> prepared carefully. On the other hand, I don't see any
> > valuable
> > >>>>>>>>>> reason
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> why the change can't be done and we should wait for the
> > future
> > >>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> never comes.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please, consider the following my considerations:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> - The release 2.13 is not started yet. It will take months
> to
> > >> be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> released (e.g. the end of March as a possible release
> date).
> > >> The
> > >>>>>>>> time
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> is more than enough;
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> - The 2.13 release has breaking changes, so it is a good
> > >>>>>>>> opportunity
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix some gaps;
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> - I don't see any reasons why we should keep something in
> the
> > >>>>>>>> CORE
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> module that is being used at PLUGINS only. This is a lack
> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> architecture design that must be fixed for sure;
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> - The cache affects cluster stability and require
> additional
> > >>>>>>>> human
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> resources for the code maintenance;
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> - As a straightforward solution plugins can create their
> own
> > >>>>>>>> internal
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> caches and use them ever they like (or use the metastorage
> > as I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned earlier). Moving system cache to plugin doesn't
> > look
> > >> so
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> complicated and harmful;
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 at 23:07, Valentin Kulichenko
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> <valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maxim,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're right that the system cache is still likely to be
> > used
> > >>>>>>>> by
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> plugins.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We at GridGain use it for security features, for example.
> As
> > >>>>>>>> far
> > >>>>>>>>>> as I
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> know,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's not the only case.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also agree that the metastorage should be the preferred
> > way
> > >>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>>> this
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> kind
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of purposes, but is there any harm in keeping the system
> > cache
> > >>>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>>>>> now?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unlike the legacy Service Grid, this is not a public
> feature
> > >>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>>>> can
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> be
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> used directly by a regular user, so I'm not sure why the
> > rush.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about we instead deprecate the system cache, clearly
> > >>>>>>>> document
> > >>>>>>>>>> how
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> use the metastorage as an alternative, and then complete
> the
> > >>>>>>>>>> removal
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sometime in the future?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Val
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 6:49 AM Maxim Muzafarov <
> > >>>>>>>> mmu...@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igniters,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the legacy service grid implementation was removed
> > [2]
> > >>>>>>>> I'd
> > >>>>>>>>>> like
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to remove the ignite-sys-cache also. It is still possible
> > >>>>>>>> that
> > >>>>>>>>>> some
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ignite plugins (e.g. security plugin) are still using
> this
> > >>>>>>>> cache,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, AFAIK this is not the reason to keep the
> outdated
> > >>>>>>>> system
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cache and these plugins must be migrated to the
> metastorage
> > >>>>>>>>>> instead.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've filed the issue [1] for removal. Any objections?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-16008
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-15758
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
>

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