Nikolay, I meant "not expensive" by "cheap". And I meant that it is good that it cheap =). And I said it to contrast with "expensive" ~100 tests investigation. And if we agree (mostly I would like an opinion from Dmitriy Ryabov as an original author) on a way how to improve the patch then let's do it. чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 10:41, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>: > > Dmitriy Ryabov, Dmitriy Pavlov, sorry. > > Of course it should be "NOT to blame author". > > Sorry, one more time. > > чт, 6 дек. 2018 г., 10:40 Dmitriy Pavlov dpav...@apache.org: > > > I hope you've misprinted here > > > I'm here to blame the author. > > > > We can blame code but never coders. > > > > Please see https://discourse.pi-hole.net/faq - has absolutely nothing in > > common with Apache Guides, but says the same things. It is a practical > > necessity to maintain a friendly atmosphere. > > > > чт, 6 дек. 2018 г. в 10:31, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>: > > > > > Ivan. > > > > > > > 1. Accept the patch and bring an improvement to Ignite (and create a> > > > ticket for further investigation). > > > > > > I support this idea. > > > Do we create the tickets already? > > > > > > > Nikolay's patch [1] suggests a slightly different approach how to the > > > > same thing. And implementing that idea looks like a cheap refactoring. > > > > > > I don't agree with your term "cheap". > > > Do you think reducing copy paste code not worth it? > > > > > > I see a hundreds issues that bring copypasted code in the product(Ignite > > > and others). > > > I insist, that we shouldn't accept patches with it. > > > > > > I'm here to blame the author. > > > I want to improve this patch and make it easier to find all places with > > > NoOp handler to do the further investigation. > > > > > > В Чт, 06/12/2018 в 10:19 +0300, Павлухин Иван пишет: > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > I asked what harm will applying the patch bring I have not got a > > > > direct answer. But I think I got some pain points: > > > > 1. Anton does not like that reasons why ~100 tests require noop > > > > handler are not clear. And might be several problems are covered > > > > there. > > > > 2. Nikolay suggests some code improvements. > > > > > > > > Nikolay's patch [1] suggests a slightly different approach how to the > > > > same thing. And implementing that idea looks like a cheap refactoring. > > > > But the idea of course could be discussed. Straight away I can suggest > > > > another slightly different trick [2]. > > > > > > > > Investigating why ~100 tests require noop handler could be costly. So, > > > > in that direction I see following options which can happen for sure: > > > > 1. Accept the patch and bring an improvement to Ignite (and create a > > > > ticket for further investigation). > > > > 2. Revert the patch and loose an improvement. > > > > > > > > One might say that there is an option "Revert the patch and then do it > > > > better" but I does not see anything (anyone) what can guarantee it. > > > > So, I personally prefer an option 1 against 2 because I believe that > > > > it is good if the system "can make a progress". > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/5584/files > > > > [2] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/5586/files > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 21:22, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy. > > > > > > > > > > > The closest analog to Noop handler is mute of test failure. > > > > > > By this commit, we had unmuted (possible) failures in > > > ~50000-~100=~49900 > > > > > > > > > > tests, and we’re still concerned about style or minor details if > > no-op > > > was > > > > > copy-pasted, aren’t we? > > > > > > > > > > Can you explain this idea a bit more? > > > > > I don't understand what is unmuted by discussed commit. > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 20:40, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, as an improvement to the code, this may be better. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can prepare a full patch for NoOp handler. > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Vinogradov, do you agree with this approach? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 20:33, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, as an improvement to the code, this may be better. But > > > still, it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > not a reason to revert. And Anton mentioned something with better > > > > > > > exception > > > > > > > handling/logging. Probably we will see an implementation as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This case here is a big thing related to The Apache Way, - and > > I'll > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > why it makes me switched into fight-mode - until we stop this > > > nonsense. If > > > > > > > PMCs (at least) are aware of patterns and anti-patterns in the > > > community, > > > > > > > we will succeed as a project much more as with (only) perfect > > code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The closest analog to Noop handler is mute of test failure. By > > this > > > > > > > commit, > > > > > > > we had unmuted (possible) failures in ~50000-~100=~49900 tests, > > > and we’re > > > > > > > still concerned about style or minor details if no-op was > > > copy-pasted, > > > > > > > aren’t we? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To everyone arguing about the number of tests we are allowed to > > > have with > > > > > > > no-op: please visit this page > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://ci.ignite.apache.org/project.html?projectId=IgniteTests24Java8&tab=mutedProblems&branch_IgniteTests24Java8=__all_branches__ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It says: Muted tests: 3154. Are there any disagreements here? Why > > > there > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > no insistent disagreement/not happy PMCs with absolutely > > > unconditionally > > > > > > > muted failures? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any reason now to continue the discussion about reverting > > > absolutely > > > > > > > positive contribution into product stability from Dmitrii R.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, Dmitrii Ryabov is trying to solve odd mutes problem, as > > > well, to > > > > > > > locate mutes with links resolved issues in the TC Bot. Is he > > > deserved to > > > > > > > read denouncing comments about the contribution? I guess, no, > > > especially > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > the commenter is not going to help/contribute a better fix. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is now a paramount thing for me if people in this thread > > will > > > join > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > process or not. People may be not happy with some > > > decisions/code/style, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > some people are more often unhappy than others. More you > > > contribute,- more > > > > > > > you can decide. If you don't contribute at all - I don't care too > > > much > > > > > > > about just opinions, I can accept facts. To provide facts we need > > > to do > > > > > > > deep research, how can someone know if the test should be no-op > > or > > > not > > > > > > > without deep analysis? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, if someone comes to list and provide just negative > > > feedback, people > > > > > > > will stop writing here. Probably no-op was enabled without proper > > > > > > > discussion because of this, someone may be afraid of sharing > > this. > > > Result: > > > > > > > some of us knew it only now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you need to make Ignite quite toxic place to have an > > absolutely > > > perfect > > > > > > > code with just a few of arguing-resistant contributors? I believe > > > not, and > > > > > > > you don't need to be reminded 'community first principle'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 19:43, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should avoid copy paste code instead of thinking > > > about Apache > > > > > > > > Way all the time :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, I propose to return to the code! > > > > > > > > I think we should use some kind of marker base class for a > > cases > > > with > > > > > > > > NoOpHandler. > > > > > > > > This has several advantages, comparing with current > > > implementation: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. No copy paste code > > > > > > > > 2. Reduce changes. > > > > > > > > 3. All usages of NoOpHandler can be easily found with IDE or > > grep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > search. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've prepared proof of concept pull request to demonstrate my > > > approach > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > I can go further and prepare full fix. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/5584/files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 18:29, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, let me explain one thing which is not related much to > > > fix > > > > > > > > > > > > > > itself, > > > > > > > > > but it is more about how we interact. If someone will just > > > come to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list > > > > > > > > > and say it is not good commit, it is a silly solution and say > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > rework these patches - it is a road to nowhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If someone sees the potential to make things better he or she > > > suggest > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > (or commits patch). This is named do-ocracy, those who do can > > > make a > > > > > > > > > decision. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And this topic it is a perfect example of how do-ocracy > > should > > > (and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > not) work. We have a potentially hidden problem (we had it > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > R. commit), I believe 3 or 7 tests may be found after > > > re-checks of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests. > > > > > > > > > Eventually, these tests will get their stop-node handler > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revisiting > > > > > > > > > no-op test list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have ~100 tests and several people who care. Anton, > > Andrew, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitrii & > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, Nikolay, probably Ed, and we have 100/6 = 18 tests > > to > > > double > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > for each contributor. We can make things better if we go > > > together. And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > is how a community works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If someone just come to list to criticize and enforces > > someone > > > else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to do > > > > > > > > > all things, he or she probably don't want to improve project > > > code but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > other goals. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 18:08, Andrey Kuznetsov < > > > stku...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I can see from the above discussion, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tests in these classes check fail cases when we expect > > > critical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > like node stop or exception thrown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, this copy-n-paste-style change is caused by the > > > imperfect logic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > existing tests, that should be reworked in more robust way, > > > e.g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > using > > > > > > > > > > custom failure handlers. Dmitrii just revealed the existing > > > flaws, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 17:54, Nikolay Izhikov < > > > nizhi...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm agree with Anton Vinogradov. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should avoid commits like [1] > > > > > > > > > > > Copy paste coding style is well known anti pattern. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't we have another option to do same fix with better > > > styling? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Accepting such patches leads to the further tickets to > > > cleanup > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mess > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > patches brings to the code base. > > > > > > > > > > > Example of cleanup [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's take a significant amount of my and Maxim time to > > > made and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > cleanup patch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We shouldn't accept patch with copy paste "improvements". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I really like your perfectionism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not about perfectionism it's about keeping code base > > > clean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I'm going to rollback changes in case arguments > > will > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 to rollback and rework this commit. > > > > > > > > > > > At least, we should reduce copy paste code. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/commit/b94a3c2fe3a272a31fad62b80505d16f87eab2dd > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/commit/eb8038f65285559c5424eba2882b0de0583ea7af > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 17:28, Anton Vinogradov < > > > a...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrey, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But why should we make all things perfect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a single fix? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said, I'm ok in case someone ready to continue :) > > > > > > > > > > > > But, we should avoid such over-copy-pasted commits in > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 5:13 PM Andrey Mashenkov < > > > > > > > > > > > > andrey.mashen...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do we have TC run results for the PR before massive > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handler > > > > > > > > > > > > > fallbacks were added? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's create a ticket to investigate possibility of > > > using any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meaningful > > > > > > > > > > > > > failure handler for such tests with TC report > > attached. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:41 PM Anton Vinogradov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's ok in case someone ready to do this (get rid > > of > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no-op > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why it's a better choice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explicit confirmation required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise, only rollback is an option. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:29 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton, if you care enough here will you try to > > > research a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests? Or you are asking others to do things for > > > you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aren't > > > > > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like idea from Andrew to create ticket and > > check > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moving towards 0....10 tests with noop. It is > > easy > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > locate > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overridden method now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So threat this change as contributed mechanism > > for > > > failing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests. > > > > > > > > > > > Is > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г., 15:59 Anton Vinogradov < > > > a...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't get. What is the problem in saving > > > No-Op for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should we keep No-Op for all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several (less than 10) is ok to me with the > > > proper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fail and why no-op is a better choice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100+++ copy-pasted no-op handlers are not ok! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't ask you to re-do this change, I ask > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > demonstrate > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approach for tests which intentionally > > > activate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > handler. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You asking me to provide approach without > > > explanation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > fail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without no-op handler? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My approach is to rollback this fix, reopen the > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Make a proper investigation first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, let's stop this game. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have to discuss the reasons why tests fail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case no-one checked "why" before the fix was > > > merged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > start doing this after rollback. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:49 PM Eduard > > Shangareev > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > eduard.shangar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't get. What is the problem in saving > > > No-Op for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should we keep No-Op for all? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:20 PM Павлухин Иван > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vololo...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes I meant that patch. And I would like to > > > respell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > name > > > > > > > > > > > > > "massive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no-op handler restore" to "use no-op > > failure > > > handler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assumed". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 15:09, Dmitriy Pavlov > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitrii Ryabov explained these tests are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perfectly ok > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failures > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these tests do test failures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton, there is no reason to revert > > other's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributions > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how to do things better. A lot of people > > > can do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should we revert everything I've > > > contributed? I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > no. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can do things better, just commit > > > further > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > improvements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be happy if you contribute some > > > improvements > > > > > > > > > > > > > > later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you would like to revert by veto, > > please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justify > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > intent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would discuss it with all community, > > > please feel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > convince > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 14:53, Павлухин > > Иван < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vololo...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please summarize what does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aforementioned > > > > > > > > > > patch > > > > > > > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > worse? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I see, the patch added a very good > > > thing -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meaningful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handler in tests. And I think it is > > > really > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important. > > > > > > > > > > But > > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > harm and does it overweight positive > > > result? And > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 14:03, Anton > > > Vinogradov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's an incorrect idea to ask me to > > > provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > fix > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly since I'm not an author or > > > reviewer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, I, as a community member, ask > > you > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explain > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you're not able to provide > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rollback > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not acceptable to merge fix of > > > unknown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > At > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > least, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "100 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > times copy-paste fix". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please provide the explanation of the > > > problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we're > > > > > > > > > > > > fixing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.s. My goal is not to rollback > > > something, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but to > > > > > > > > > > > prevent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > merge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding what it fixes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 1:40 PM > > Dmitriy > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton, please provide PR to demo > > > your idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Code > > > > > > > > > > > speaks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > louder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No reason to revert a contribution > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > idea, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear for others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, we should discuss not > > Dmitrii > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution, > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > selection of no-op. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you will do a test failure fixes > > > later > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > set > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > StopNode+FailTest as the only > > option > > > - ok > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 13:35, Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I said before, these changes > > > allow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unexpected failures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not acceptable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a reviewer, you have to be > > > ready to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have to be fixed this way and > > what > > > was the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem, > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > merged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's unacceptable to hide > > issues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead of > > > > > > > > > > fix. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, I ask you, as a reviewer, to > > > provide > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What problem and at what test we > > > solved by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no-op > > > > > > > > > > > > > handler. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I'm going to rollback changes > > > in case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 1:10 PM > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not do any rollback > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention that no-op became > > > default long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > > > > ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > selection with authors of the > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit. > > > > > > > > > > > New > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NoOp->FailTest+stopNode. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please provide a PR to > > > demonstrate your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > idea > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > transfer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exceptions. I believe it will > > > not work > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > fail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handler is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > activated from any pool inside > > a > > > node. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 13:05, > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which code block will do > > a > > > throw? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Depends on the test. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looks like we make the *bad > > > *test even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *worse*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not a correct fix. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case you expect failure > > you > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > check > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expectation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > special handler. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to ask you to > > > rollback these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > replace > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 12:39 > > > PM Andrey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mashenkov > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > andrey.mashen...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The meaningful failure > > > handler as a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks a lot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But what is the reason to > > > fallback > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > noop > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > 100+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does it means these test > > > become > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failed > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handler? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, let's create a > > ticket > > > (may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > umbrella) > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > investigate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see 100+ touched files in > > > PR and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > abstract > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > classes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we have much more affected > > > tests. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems, most of failover > > test > > > doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expects > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > critical > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > internal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > occur and there is no need > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fallback > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > noop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other test should set > > custom > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handler > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > detect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failures > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if grid hanging simulation > > > is needed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (to > > > > > > > > > > keep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hanged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > under > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > control). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at > > 12:16 > > > PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitrii, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No-op means "hide any > > > problem", > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so, > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > lose > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > guarantees. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please share > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "no-op" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "strict > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try-catch with a check"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at > > > 11:37 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitrii > > > > > > > > > > > > Ryabov > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > somefire...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton, I think wrapping > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disconnecting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > node > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try-catch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > less readable than > > no-op > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handler. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 5 дек. 2018 г., > > 9:26 > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks let me remind > > > you that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry > > > > > > > > > > > > changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > noop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to a meaningful > > > handler. So we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > start > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thank you to Dmitry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please review > > > remaining tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > remove > > > > > > > > > > > > > noop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 4 дек. 2018 г., > > > 23:48 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrey > > > > > > > > > > > > Mashenkov > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > andrey.mashen...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Really, why noop? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you expect > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > handler > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > triggered, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > override > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > default > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one and rise some > > > flag, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > checked > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This will make test > > > clearer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With noop, you'll > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > previous > > > > > > > > > > > unwanted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > behavior, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > improve, isnt'it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4 дек. 2018 г. > > 23:25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пользователь > > > > > > > > > > > > "Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov" < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > написал: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you have to > > > check the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try-catch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > block, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case found not > > > equals to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expected > > > > > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rethrow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 4 дек. 2018 г. > > в > > > 23:21, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitrii, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The solution is > > > not clear > > > > > > 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-- Best regards, Ivan Pavlukhin
