Dmitriy, let's proceed with it. вт, 20 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:20, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org>: > > One more thing I want to emphasize here. We can't just remove messages, it > _must_ be sent to some list, which is why we need some additional list, > e.g. notifications@ for this. > > So only one option to proceed here is to run a formal vote on list creation > and redirection of github/gitbox messages to a new list. > > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:23, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org>: > > > Denis, we need because contributors do not announce their > > intent/designs/etc manually. It is the best way ever? No, of course. > > > > We have consensus on PR removal, so let's do it and see results. > > > > пн, 19 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:11, Denis Mekhanikov <dmekhani...@gmail.com>: > > > >> Dmitriy, > >> > >> If a person wants to track all new tickets, then he may go to JIRA, create > >> a filter for Ignite tickets > >> and subscribe to it. JIRA has a pretty flexible configuration of filters > >> and subscriptions, so you can > >> specify exactly what issues you are interested in, and how often you want > >> to receive these emails. > >> This is much more convenient and more flexible than filtering emails from > >> a > >> bot. > >> > >> So, most people ignore JIRA messages, and the ones who want to track new > >> tickets, > >> may go to JIRA and configure their own filters. I don't see, why we need > >> to > >> keep the forwarding to dev list. > >> > >> Denis > >> > >> пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:30, Павлухин Иван <vololo...@gmail.com>: > >> > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > Can we collect opinions about keeping messages of mentioned types on > >> > dev list? From my side (+ means keeping on dev list): > >> > TC bot + > >> > Jira - > >> > GitHub - > >> > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:25, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org>: > >> > > > >> > > Importance is hardly definable and it is not possible that importance > >> is > >> > > equal for everyone. You can say about other human emails it is not > >> > > important if some product area is not interesting for you. So I can > >> only > >> > > understand the terms: email needs action/does not need action. > >> > > > >> > > If some contributor never reacted to JIRA notification he or she may > >> > think > >> > > it is not important. But even we have a majority of contributors who > >> > > ignores JIRA, it does not mean it is a right decision to switch it > >> off. > >> > We > >> > > don't play in a democracy, hopefully. > >> > > > >> > > My suggestion now: keep showing an excellent example of human-human > >> > > interaction, announces, etc from all Ignite veterans (especially, > >> PMCs), > >> > so > >> > > newcomers can use the same approach. > >> > > > >> > > If PRs removal to notifications@ will show a positive tendency in > >> > > human-human interaction, I can easily agree with the second step. Only > >> > > practice is truth criteria. > >> > > > >> > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:08, Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com>: > >> > > > >> > > > We want important emails to be easily observable. This is the only > >> > goal. > >> > > > > >> > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:51, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org>: > >> > > > > >> > > > > I suggest to think in another paradigm, let's not classify emails > >> to > >> > be > >> > > > > automatically issued or not, lets separate emails to other > >> classes: a > >> > > > > needed action from humans or not needed. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > If you don't have any interest in a change announced by JIRA issue > >> > > > created > >> > > > > email, you can just skip. If you can help with comments, review, > >> > etc, you > >> > > > > can become watcher or comment ticket, you can also point to > >> > duplicate. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > In that paradigm, > >> > > > > A) PR is perfectly ok to be redirected to notifications@ .- PR > >> > creation > >> > > > > does not require any action from anyone. > >> > > > > B) JIRA - I'm not sure (maybe as a second step, if we will see > >> > > > contributors > >> > > > > will write about important tickets). And instead we can discuss > >> Open > >> > -> > >> > > > > Patch available transition, as a reviewer needed. > >> > > > > C) TC Bot - I'm sure - should never be redirected. Hopefully, it > >> > will not > >> > > > > generate any alerts. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I hardly understand goal: is our target metric - message count to > >> be > >> > as > >> > > > > less as possible? (extreme - 0 emails, let's not write here at > >> all, > >> > we > >> > > > can > >> > > > > get 0). Who can explain what do we want from redirection? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:28, Sergi Vladykin < > >> > sergi.vlady...@gmail.com>: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I also would like to separate all the automated stuff. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sergi > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:58, Павлухин Иван < > >> vololo...@gmail.com>: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Oleg, > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I join to Dmitriy. I found your summary quite interesting. > >> > > > > > > пт, 16 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:12, Dmitriy Pavlov < > >> dpav...@apache.org > >> > >: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Oleg, > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > excellent research! It allows me to avoid bothering > >> community > >> > > > > > developers > >> > > > > > > > once again. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you for your efforts and for contributing to this > >> > discussion. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely, > >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 23:14, Denis Magda < > >> dma...@apache.org>: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Let's move git notifications to a separate list. As for > >> > JIRA, not > >> > > > > > sure > >> > > > > > > it > >> > > > > > > > > bothers me, it took me several minutes to set up all the > >> > filters > >> > > > to > >> > > > > > > spread > >> > > > > > > > > the messages out across specific folders. Otherwise, some > >> of > >> > us > >> > > > > might > >> > > > > > > > > ignore subscribing to jira-list and would miss > >> notifications > >> > when > >> > > > > > their > >> > > > > > > > > input is needed. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > > > > Denis > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 12:03 PM Vladimir Ozerov < > >> > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I am not referring to some "authoritative ASF member" > >> as a > >> > > > guide > >> > > > > > for > >> > > > > > > us. > >> > > > > > > > > We > >> > > > > > > > > > are on our own. What I meant is that at some point in > >> time > >> > we > >> > > > > were > >> > > > > > > > > pointed > >> > > > > > > > > > to an idea, that tons of automated messages has nothing > >> to > >> > do > >> > > > > with > >> > > > > > > > > healthy > >> > > > > > > > > > community. Which seems pretty reasonable to me. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 10:15 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > >> > > > > > dpav...@apache.org> > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > What incubator mentor do you refer to? Incubator > >> member > >> > are > >> > > > asf > >> > > > > > > members > >> > > > > > > > > > as > >> > > > > > > > > > > well. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I was involved at least to 3 discussions at the list > >> > started > >> > > > > from > >> > > > > > > Jira > >> > > > > > > > > > > issue created. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If others were not involved, it do not convince me its > >> > is not > >> > > > > > > useful to > >> > > > > > > > > > > keep forwarding. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:23 Vladimir Ozerov < > >> > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > >> > > > > > > >: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What Apache member do you refer to? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:10, Dmitriy Pavlov < > >> > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > >> > > > > > > >: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know what to watch if new tickets are > >> not > >> > > > > > forwarded? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, PRs are ok to remove since it is duplicate > >> to > >> > > > jira, > >> > > > > > but > >> > > > > > > jira > >> > > > > > > > > > > > removal > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > does not make any sense for me. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Com dev folks instead suggest to forward all > >> > comments and > >> > > > > all > >> > > > > > > > > > activity > >> > > > > > > > > > > > from > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > github to the list. So if Apache member will > >> confirm > >> > it > >> > > > is > >> > > > > > not > >> > > > > > > > > useful > >> > > > > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > allow dev. list watchers see new issues on the > >> list > >> > we > >> > > > can > >> > > > > > > continue > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. Openness is needed not for veterans > >> but > >> > for > >> > > > all > >> > > > > > > > > community > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > members and users who is subscribed to the list. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г., 21:00 Pavel Tupitsyn < > >> > > > > > > ptupit...@apache.org>: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal emails for _watched_ JIRA tickets are > >> very > >> > > > > useful. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Emails to everyone are not. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > +1 for separate mailing list for all automated > >> > emails. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think we can avoid automated emails > >> > completely, > >> > > > > but > >> > > > > > > dev > >> > > > > > > > > > list > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > should > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be human-only. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So separate list is the only way. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 8:11 PM Vladimir Ozerov > >> < > >> > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Completely agree with Denis. Tons of generated > >> > > > messages > >> > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > > community > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > health are not relevant. Currently we > >> obviously > >> > have > >> > > > > too > >> > > > > > > much > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > too little communications. This is bad. But > >> > whether > >> > > > we > >> > > > > > > > > accumulate > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff here or in some other place is not > >> > important at > >> > > > > > all, > >> > > > > > > > > > provided > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > that > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can point dev-list readers to JIRA channel. > >> And > >> > as > >> > > > far > >> > > > > as > >> > > > > > > > > > generated > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stuff, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this was one of very serious concerns of our > >> > mentors > >> > > > > > during > >> > > > > > > > > > > > incubation > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase - too many tickets, too little real > >> > > > > communications. > >> > > > > > > > > > Splitting > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > message > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flows will help us understand where we are. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And another very interesting thing is how PMCs > >> > treat > >> > > > > all > >> > > > > > > these > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages - > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they ignore them. When I come with that > >> problem, > >> > one > >> > > > > PMC > >> > > > > > > > > proposed > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > solution > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - "just filter them like I do". Then I, > >> another > >> > PMC, > >> > > > > > > answered - > >> > > > > > > > > > "I > >> > > > > > > > > > > do > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > not > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know how to filter them". Finally, third PMC, > >> who > >> > > > also > >> > > > > > > filters > >> > > > > > > > > > > these > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages, helped me create proper filter in > >> > GMail. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Isn't it demonstrative enough that so many > >> PMC, > >> > who > >> > > > are > >> > > > > > > > > expected > >> > > > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand project very well and follow a lot > >> of > >> > > > > > > activities, > >> > > > > > > > > find > >> > > > > > > > > > > it > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > useful > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to *remove* JIRA emails from their inboxes in > >> > order > >> > > > to > >> > > > > > ... > >> > > > > > > well > >> > > > > > > > > > ... > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > understand what is going on. If Ignite > >> veterans > >> > do > >> > > > not > >> > > > > > find > >> > > > > > > > > these > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > generated > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails useful, then I do not know who else can > >> > > > benefit > >> > > > > > from > >> > > > > > > > > them. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 7:06 PM Denis > >> Mekhanikov > >> > < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhani...@gmail.com> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up a filter. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I doesn't mean we should make them do it. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do JIRA messages help? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want do discuss something – write to > >> dev > >> > > > list. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want a code review – write to dev > >> list. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have an announcement – write to dev > >> > list. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't see, how JIRA messages can replace > >> any > >> > of > >> > > > > these > >> > > > > > > > > points. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Literally nobody ever answered a message > >> from > >> > JIRA > >> > > > > bot. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, that only watchers of JIRA tickets > >> > should > >> > > > be > >> > > > > > > > > notified > >> > > > > > > > > > > > about > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > updates. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no point in sending messages to > >> > everyone. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:50, Dmitriy > >> Pavlov < > >> > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > >> > > > > > > > > > > >: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do believe Igniters can set up a filter. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket is an intention to be done by > >> > > > > > contributors > >> > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > > future. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If PMC member admits decisions are made > >> off > >> > the > >> > > > > list > >> > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > just > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > provided > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fact-in-the-past for others - it really > >> signs > >> > > > poor > >> > > > > > > > > community > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > health. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, it is not reasonable to fight with > >> JIRA > >> > > > > messages > >> > > > > > > it is > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasonable > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grow a culture of on-list development. If > >> we > >> > > > don't > >> > > > > > > have it, > >> > > > > > > > > > > JIRA > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remain here. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 18:30, Denis > >> > Mekhanikov < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhani...@gmail.com > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we want people to act openly and > >> > > > > > > community-friendly, > >> > > > > > > > > > then > >> > > > > > > > > > > we > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it a part of the required development > >> > process. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise people just won't care about > >> it. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, all JIRA tickets are open for > >> > > > everyone, > >> > > > > > so > >> > > > > > > no > >> > > > > > > > > > > > openness > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > violated if we made a separate mailing > >> > list for > >> > > > > > bots. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA tickets are just as easy to search > >> > > > through, > >> > > > > as > >> > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > emails. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you write anything to the dev list, > >> then > >> > > > only > >> > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > once, > >> > > > > > > > > > > who > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > spent > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > half > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an hour, configuring the email filters > >> > will see > >> > > > > it. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Others won't notice it, because it will > >> get > >> > > > lost > >> > > > > > > among > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > flood > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spam > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messages from bots. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested in receiving the > >> JIRA > >> > > > > > > > > notifications, > >> > > > > > > > > > > you > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > could > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > subscribe to ignite-bots (or even > >> > ignite-jira) > >> > > > > > > mailing > >> > > > > > > > > > list, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and keep track of what happens there. It > >> > would > >> > > > > > > simplify > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > filtering, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you should only filter out the > >> > corresponding > >> > > > > > > recipient. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently if you want to filter out all > >> > > > messages > >> > > > > > from > >> > > > > > > > > bots, > >> > > > > > > > > > > you > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > enumerate all possible topics, that bots > >> > may > >> > > > > > > generate. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since the number of bots only grows > >> > with > >> > > > > time, > >> > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > filter > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in actual state, otherwise messages > >> > will > >> > > > > spill > >> > > > > > > into > >> > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > inbox. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:58, Dmitriy > >> > Pavlov < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Denis, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another side of this decision is the > >> > openness > >> > > > > of > >> > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since not all contributors pay > >> attention > >> > to > >> > > > run > >> > > > > > > their > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > development > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open/community friendly manner: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - to announce important features, and > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Telegraph their intent > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Draft designs openly > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Submit work in chunks > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Welcome feedback along the way > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> http://shaneslides.com/apachecon/TheApacheWay-ApacheConNA2018.html#24 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we can't just remove JIRA from the > >> list. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today JIRA forwarding is an only way > >> to > >> > keep > >> > > > > > Ignite > >> > > > > > > > > > > > development > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > easy > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > follow by subscribing to dev. list. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we came to practice that all > >> > contributors > >> > > > > > > announce > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and bugs, JIRA can be removed. Now it > >> > can't. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which problem we can solve by removing > >> > JIRA > >> > > > > from > >> > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > list? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:34, Denis > >> > > > Mekhanikov > >> > > > > < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dmekhani...@gmail.com > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I vote for moving automatically > >> > generated > >> > > > > > > messages > >> > > > > > > > > to a > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > separate > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mailing > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > list (maybe except most important > >> > ones). > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already wrote about it here: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Bots-on-dev-list-td34406.html > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What we have now makes the Nabble > >> > portal an > >> > > > > > > absolute > >> > > > > > > > > > mess > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ability > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to track human communication. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's even hard to search for old > >> > > > discussions, > >> > > > > > > because > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > messages > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets and git commit messages pop > >> in > >> > the > >> > > > > > search > >> > > > > > > > > > > results. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Making every person configure email > >> > filters > >> > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > waisting > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > everybody's > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just imagine, how many human-hours > >> has > >> > been > >> > > > > > > spent on > >> > > > > > > > > > it. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should respect time of others, > >> and > >> > make > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > separation > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sending side. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > чт, 15 нояб. 2018 г. в 13:20, > >> Dmitriy > >> > > > Pavlov > >> > > > > < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpav...@apache.org > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO we need to run a formal vote > >> on > >> > this > >> > > > > > > change, > >> > > > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > > then > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > PMC > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chair > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > create (or reuse) a separate list > >> for > >> > > > > > messages > >> > > > > > > from > >> > > > > > > > > > Git > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repos. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 14 нояб. 2018 г. в 16:08, > >> > Vladimir > >> > > > > > Ozerov < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say that "set the > >> filter" > >> > is > >> > > > not > >> > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > > solution. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > First, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > always possible technically. > >> E.g. > >> > I use > >> > > > > > > GMail and > >> > > > > > > > > > my > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > dev-list > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emails > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > already use a rule. I cannot > >> > extract > >> > > > > > > generated > >> > > > > > > > > > emails > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > from > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overall > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > flow > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with GMail capabilities. But the > >> > more > >> > > > > > > important > >> > > > > > > > > > > things > >> > > > > > > > > > > > - > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > first place someone needs to > >> went > >> > > > through > >> > > > > > > that > >> > > > > > > > > > > > generated > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nightmare? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Git messages is a spam. Looks > >> like > >> > > > > everyone > >> > > > > > > > > agrees > >> > > > > > > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > far > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JIRA ticket creation - this is > >> all > >> > > > about > >> > > > > > > > > > importance. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > When > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > someone > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > writes > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > email to the devlist, this is > >> > likely to > >> > > > > be > >> > > > > > > > > > important > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > topic > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > requiring > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attention. When someone creates > >> a > >> > > > ticket, > >> > > > > > > most > >> > > > > > > > > > likely > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > either a > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bug, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a piece of already discussed > >> > issue, or > >> > > > > so. > >> > > > > > In > >> > > > > > > > > other > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > words - > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > average > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devlist > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > user is likely to be interested > >> in > >> > > > manual > >> > > > > > > > > messages > >> > > > > > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unlikely > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be interested in "Ticket > >> created" > >> > > > > messages. > >> > > > > > > Not > >> > > > > > > > > > > > important > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > information > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overshadows important. 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-- Best regards, Ivan Pavlukhin
