Ignite committers, I have prepared a PR for 2.7 blocker [1]. Could anybody merge it to 2.7 and master?
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9737 ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 14:02, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>: > Alexey. > > Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :) > > Thanks, for a clarification. > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет: > > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First > one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock during > WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL > flush). > > > > --AG > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>: > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > Release scope is frozen. > > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in this > thread. > > > > > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760, > IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch. > > > > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1 > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69 > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет: > > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really > > > > important problem is discussed. > > > > > > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still > included into > > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without > > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI > 2.6 > > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about > Apache Way. > > > > > > > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be > vetoed. > > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 > binding and > > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory. > > > > > > > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and > can't be > > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should > be > > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of > > > > > understanding is not a justification. > > > > > > > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the > bugs > > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all > > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a > couple of > > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is > possible to > > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <stku...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm > sorry for > > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against > ignite-2.6 > > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've > brought it > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug? > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain > impact* > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > a > > > > > > > bug. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"? > > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so? > > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive > discussion? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет: > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if > > > > > > > > > > > > persistence > > > > > > > > enabled). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until > we're sure > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the > case. I > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such > problems > > > > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and > usability > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions: > > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently > in the > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > area > > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 > and > > > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov < > voze...@gridgain.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What > is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impact to > > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do > not > > > > > > > > > > strive > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > impact is explained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov < > stku...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in > FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It > > > > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I definitely agree it is a blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov < > > > > > > > > > > kaa....@yandex.ru > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in > archiver - > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. > I almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" < > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my > > > > > > > > > > absolute > > > > > > > best to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. > I think > > > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributors doing the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is precisely the scope we have at the > moment. All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered carefully on whether to include > them into > > > > > > > > > > AI > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be > moved > > > > > > > > > > furhter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third of current tickets are features on > their final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stages > > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), > another > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test > > > > > > > > > > failures), > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, > Java 9+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > despite big absolute number, most of these > tickets are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grouped > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several big areas, and overall progress over > this week > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I > do not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "must-have" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and move the rest to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please use this filter, as it properly > handles > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay > Izhikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache > Ignite 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only > previously > > > > > > > > > > > > announces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE > ALL > > > > > > > > > > TASKS > > > > > > > FOR 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DUE > > > > > > > > > > > > TO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OCTOBER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets > planned > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker > > > > > > > > > > friendly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reminder > > > > > > > > > > > #1, > > > > > > > > > > > > *the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deadline is near :)*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey > Gura > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree with Andrey. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to > ignite-2.7 > > > > > > > > > > branch > > > > > > > soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stku...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical > worker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > termination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > detection, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see > [1]. Also, > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trivial > > > > > > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any > > > > > > > > > > objections? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an > almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > healthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all > Igniters > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to > log 'some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-build > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. BTW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not > always > > > > > > > > > > > > valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community > > > > > > > > > > actions; > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > place where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope > all > > > > > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > building on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dev list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, guys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, > Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's > concerns. I > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see a > > > > > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 > scope, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience > shows, that > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > involving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consensus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take > weeks to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible > that at > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > day in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about > testing? > > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regressions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you > that > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Monday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. > This is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > sole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > rework > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > internals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that > our > > > > > > > > > > effrots > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simply a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to > contributor's > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this > false > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > puts us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > rush. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, > testing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Result is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't > we just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > it to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is > very far > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus > from > > > > > > > > > > dates > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality > > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > product, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that > potential merge > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defeat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effrots > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other contributors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daradur > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and > versioning will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it > is > > > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket > [1] to > > > > > > > > > > > > track > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new > features, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rework > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > build > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > base for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at > 9:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can > agree. SG > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > includes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, > features like > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > month > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, > including > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redeployment > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > restart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, > together with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > runs. > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > type of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I > think it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unreasonable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the > > > > > > > > > > testing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at > 10:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I > think you're > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > do'er, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenter, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust > your > > > > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I > have > > > > > > > > > > spare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cycles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в > 20:34, > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dma...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping > in and > > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general, I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to > option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should > release > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should > plan 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > end of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 > at 10:30 > > > > > > > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we > shouldn't put so > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emotions > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and > important as > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point > we all > > > > > > > > > > > > agreed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about: > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can > significally > > > > > > > > > > improve > > > > > > > Ignite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have > it in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my > vision of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > task > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aligned* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir > Ozerov, > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on > dev-list. > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > task > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state > - *on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time > with this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix > my > > > > > > > > > > > > comments > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beginning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wants > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on > > > > > > > > > > dev-list*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the > review - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have > two > > > > > > > > > > > > mutually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exclusive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > options > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 > in planned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to > option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should > release > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should > plan 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > end of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we > preparing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > of SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to > master*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes > sense > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в > 19:47 > > > > > > > > > > > > +0300, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is > aligned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mention was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > named > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me > some > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it > instead of > > > > > > > > > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of > the Apache > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do-ocracy and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not > just > > > > > > > > > > > > disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. > If > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers > agree, > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > works > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 > г. в > > > > > > > > > > > > 19:39, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dsetrak...@apache.org> -- Best regards, Andrey Kuznetsov.
