Hello, Dmitriy. I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern.
Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain impact* of a bug. Why are you scaring us with your "-1"? Is it Apache Way to do so? What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion? В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет: > Hi Igniters, Vladimir, > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if persistence > enabled). > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure it is > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I will > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems exist and > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability of the > product. > > We should ask and answer other questions: > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the same area > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s). > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and research > these failures in master (with no rush). > > Sincerely, > Dmitriy Pavlov > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <voze...@gridgain.com>: > > > Andrey, Anton, > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the impact to > > users and in what circumstances users can met them? > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not strive to > > include them all, because bug != blocker. > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope, unless > > impact is explained. > > > > Vladimir. > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <stku...@gmail.com>: > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It looks > > > > like a > > > release blocker to me. > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov <dpavlov....@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > Hi Anton, > > > > > > > > I definitely agree it is a blocker. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov <kaa....@yandex.ru>: > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver - > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost fixed > > > > it. > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" <dsetrak...@apache.org>: > > > > > > Thanks, got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my absolute best to > > > > > > > > > > finalize > > > > > > > all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think most of > > > > the > > > > > > > contributors doing the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All these > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > were > > > > > > > > considered carefully on whether to include them into AI 2.7 > > > > > > scope. > > > > I > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved furhter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third of current tickets are features on their final review > > > > > > stages > > > > > (e.g. > > > > > > > > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another big part > > > > is > > > > > > > > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test failures), and > > > > > > another > > > > > big > > > > > > > > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ support, > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So > > > > > > > > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are grouped > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > several big areas, and overall progress over this week should > > > > be > > > > very > > > > > > > good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not believe all > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only "must-have" > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > in > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > and move the rest to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles tickets > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > components: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov < > > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs. > > > > > > > > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously announces > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL TASKS FOR 2.7 > > > > > > DUE > > > > > TO > > > > > > > > > OCTOBER > > > > > > > > > > > 10*. > > > > > > > > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned to 2.7 > > > > > > version > > > > > [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker friendly > > > > reminder > > > > #1, > > > > > *the > > > > > > > > > > > deadline is near :)*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree with Andrey. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 branch soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey Kuznetsov < > > > > > > > stku...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker termination > > > > > > > detection, > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, we have > > > > > > > > trivial > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any objections? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744 > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost healthy > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters to discuss > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > agreement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some > > > > pre-build > > > > > > > > agreements' > > > > > > > > > > > here. BTW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community actions; it is > > > > the > > > > > > > principal > > > > > > > > > > > place where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all similar > > > > > > decisions > > > > > will > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > building on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dev list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay Izhikov < > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, guys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I do not > > > > see a > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, but we are > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that any > > > > feature > > > > > > > involving > > > > > > > > > > > consensus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be finalized > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at some day in > > > > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > see it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? What about > > > > > > > > > > regressions > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that from Monday > > > > a > > > > lot > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > efforts > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is the sole > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > of > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep rework of > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > internals > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our effrots will be > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > simply a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false hope puts us > > > > > > at > > > > > rush. > > > > > > > > Rush > > > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. Result is > > > > > > > > > > known - > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > features, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just want to > > > > > > move > > > > > it to > > > > > > > AI > > > > > > > > > 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far from being > > > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from dates to > > > > > > quality > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > product, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge will > > > > defeat > > > > > > > > > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > > effrots > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other contributors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM Vyacheslav > > > > > > Daradur > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will not be > > > > > > > > > > implemented > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to track > > > > phase 1 > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, but we > > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > rework > > > > > > > > > > > component > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more reliable and > > > > > > we > > > > > build > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > base for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM Dmitriy > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG redesign > > > > > > > > includes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like these take > > > > > > > > about > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > month > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including > > > > redeployment > > > > > tests > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > restart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with overnight > > > > > > > > runs. > > > > > If > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > type of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it would be > > > > > > > > unreasonable > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > expect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the testing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:38 AM Dmitriy > > > > > > > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I think you're a do'er, > > > > > > but > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > commenter, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have spare > > > > cycles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, Denis > > > > Magda < > > > > > > > > > > > dma...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and giving more > > > > > > > > > > context. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > general, I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with > > > > the > > > > > bunch of > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at > > > > the > > > > > end of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 AM > > > > Nikolay > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nizhi...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so many > > > > > > emotions > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > discussion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as SG > > > > > > redesign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all agreed > > > > about: > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally improve Ignite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in the > > > > product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of the current > > > > > > > > task > > > > > > > state: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is discussed *and > > > > > > > > aligned* > > > > > > > both: > > > > > > > > > > > privately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, Alexey > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk, > > > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. This task > > > > is > > > > > done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my review*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this > > > > > > contribution > > > > > and > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my comments in a > > > > > > day > > > > or > > > > > > > two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton Vinogradov > > > > > > > > review > > > > > on > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > beginning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community member > > > > > > wants > > > > to > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > *by > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on dev-list*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - you are > > > > > > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > PR > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > here [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two mutually > > > > > > > > exclusive > > > > > > > > options > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned dates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release 2.7 with > > > > the > > > > > bunch of > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 release at > > > > the > > > > > end of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing release a > > > > > > lot > > > > of > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to discussion of SG > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > *when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense for you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 +0300, > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned totally. The > > > > > > > > > > thread you > > > > > > > > > > > mention was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > named > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some community > > > > members > > > > are > > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache > > > > community, > > > I > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > Do-ocracy and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just disagree. > > > > There > > > > are > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > leaders > > > > > > > > > > > in open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean Nikolay and > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav. > > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > > > me, their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If Vladimir is > > > > > > ready > > > > to > > > > > > > lead > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, it works > > > > for > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 19:39, > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the beginning of > > > > this > > > > > thread > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the release because > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > still did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has changed > > > > since. > > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no > > > > confidence > > > > > that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Service Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. The 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a release > > > > manager. > > > > We > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drive the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is doing a great > > > > > > job > > > > > and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > release is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he proposed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 4:31 AM > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this nonsense > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dates-pushing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you disagreed with > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > include/exclude > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not mean that whole > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > disagreed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If folks will start a separate > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no reasons to reject their > > > > > > > > > > contribution, > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > revisit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements and wait for a > > > > couple > > > of > > > > > days > > > > > > > > > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am I missing some reason why > > > > > > dates > > > > > are so > > > > > > > > > > > fundamentally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 12:20, > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If services is not ready, > > > > which > > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > not, > > > > > > > > > > > then we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > include > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the next release. There is no > > > > > > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > > > > force > > > > > > > > > > > them into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move according to the > > > > schedule > > > we > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > agreed > > > > > > > > > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 > > > > AM > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, so correct statement > > > > is > > > > > > > "community > > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > services not go to 2.7/ > > > > > > > > services > > > > > are > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > scope". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If so, please forgive me my > > > > > > > confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в > > > > 11:19, > > > > > > > Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. 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> > > > > community to > > > > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в > > > > > > > > 11:09, > > > > > > > > > Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I read your words > > > > > > > > > > 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delayed? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. > > > > в > > > > > 11:00, > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dpavlov....@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point we can > > > > wait > > > a > > > > > bit > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > services > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 we are > > > > open-minded > > > > and > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > outside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2 and services it > > > > is > > > > not > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > feature, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suddenly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appeared > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > autumn, it is a > > > > well > > > > > known > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it is up to > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav, > > > > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Decisions can be > > > > > > > > > > services are > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready/ready to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > merge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > master/ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to merge to master > > > > > > and > > > > to > > > > > > > 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 > > > > г. > > > в > > > > > 10:46, > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > voze...@gridgain.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Community > > > > 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