Nick, Antron, thank you for stepping in.

AFAIK, Ignite cluster can move its state to a new version of Ignite
using persistence only.

Since Ignite v.2.3 persistence is configured on a memory region and
system memory region is not persistence, that means the system
(utility) cache will not be recovered on cluster restart.

Here is a ticket which describes the same issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-6629

> BTW, Is proposed solution provides the guarantee that services will be
> redeployed after each cluster restart since now we're not using the cache?

No, only services described in IgniteConfiguration will be deployed at
node startup as well as now.

Am I wrong in something?
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 5:59 PM Anton Vinogradov <a...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Vyacheslav.
>
> It looks like we able to restart all services on grid startup from old
> definitions (inside cache) in case persistence turned on.
> Se no problems to provide such automated migration case.
> Also, we can test it using compatibility framework.
>
> BTW, Is proposed solution provides the guarantee that services will be
> redeployed after each cluster restart since now we're not using the cache?
>
> чт, 23 авг. 2018 г. в 15:21, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>:
>
> > Hello, Vyacheslav.
> >
> > Thanks, for sharing your design.
> >
> > > I have a question about services migration from AI 2.6 to a new solution
> >
> > Can you describe consequences of not having migration solution?
> > What will happen on the user side?
> >
> >
> > В Чт, 23/08/2018 в 14:44 +0300, Vyacheslav Daradur пишет:
> > > Hi, Igniters!
> > >
> > > I’m working on Service Grid redesign tasks and design seems to be
> > finished.
> > >
> > > The main goal of Service Grid redesign is to provide missed guarantees:
> > > - Synchronous services deployment/undeployment;
> > > - Failover on coordinator change;
> > > - Propagation of deployments errors across the cluster;
> > > - Introduce of a deployment failures policy;
> > > - Prevention of deployments initiators hangs while deployment;
> > > - etc.
> > >
> > > I’d like to ask the community their thoughts about the proposed design
> > > to be sure that all important things have been considered.
> > >
> > > Also, I have a question about services migration from AI 2.6 to a new
> > > solution. It’s very hard to provide tools for users migration, because
> > > of significant changes. We don’t use utility cache anymore. Should we
> > > spend time on this?
> > >
> > > I’ve prepared a definition of new Service Grid design, it’s described
> > below:
> > >
> > > *OVERVIEW*
> > >
> > > All nodes (servers and clients) are able to host services, but the
> > > client nodes are excluded from service deployment by default. The only
> > > way to deploy service on clients nodes is to specify node filter in
> > > ServiceConfiguration.
> > >
> > > All deployed services are identified internally by “serviceId”
> > > (IgniteUuid). This allows us to build a base for such features as hot
> > > redeployment and service’s versioning. It’s important to have the
> > > ability to identify and manage services with the same name, but
> > > different version.
> > >
> > > All actions on service’s state change are processed according to unified
> > flow:
> > > 1) Initiator sends over disco-spi a request to change service state
> > > [deploy, undeploy] DynamicServicesChangeRequestBatchMessage which will
> > > be stored by all server nodes in own queue to be processed, if
> > > coordinator failed, at new coordinator;
> > > 2) Coordinator calculates assignments and defines actions in a new
> > > message ServicesAssignmentsRequestMessage and sends it over disco-spi
> > > to be processed by all nodes;
> > > 3) All nodes apply actions and build single map message
> > > ServicesSingleMapMessage that contains services id and amount of
> > > instances were deployed on this single node and sends the message over
> > > comm-spi to coordinator (p2p);
> > > 4) Once coordinator receives all single map messages then it builds
> > > ServicesFullMapMessage that contains services deployments across the
> > > cluster and sends message over disco-spi to be processed by all nodes;
> > >
> > > *MESSAGES*
> > >
> > > class DynamicServicesChangeRequestBatchMessage {
> > >     Collection<DynamicServiceChangeRequest> reqs;
> > > }
> > >
> > > class DynamicServiceChangeRequest {
> > >     IgniteUuid srvcId; // Unique service id (generates to deploy,
> > > existing used to undeploy)
> > >     ServiceConfiguration cfg; // Empty in case of undeploy
> > >     byte flags; // Change’s types flags [deploy, undeploy, etc.]
> > > }
> > >
> > > class ServicesAssignmentsRequestMessage {
> > >     ServicesDeploymentExchangeId exchId;
> > >     Map<IgniteUuid, Map<UUID, Integer>> srvcsToDeploy; // Deploy and
> > reassign
> > >     Collection<IgniteUuid> srvcsToUndeploy;
> > > }
> > >
> > > class ServicesSingleMapMessage {
> > >     ServicesDeploymentExchangeId exchId;
> > >     Map<IgniteUuid, ServiceSingleDeploymentsResults> results;
> > > }
> > >
> > > class ServiceSingleDeploymentsResults {
> > >     int cnt; // Deployed instances count, 0 in case of undeploy
> > >     Collection<byte[]> errors; // Serialized exceptions to avoid
> > > issues at spi-level
> > > }
> > >
> > > class ServicesFullMapMessage  {
> > >     ServicesDeploymentExchangeId exchId;
> > >     Collection<ServiceFullDeploymentsResults> results;
> > > }
> > >
> > > class ServiceFullDeploymentsResults {
> > >     IgniteUuid srvcId;
> > >     Map<UUID, ServiceSingleDeploymentsResults> results; // Per node
> > > }
> > >
> > > class ServicesDeploymentExchangeId {
> > >     UUID nodeId; // Initiated, joined or failed node id
> > >     int evtType; // EVT_NODE_[JOIN/LEFT/FAILED], EVT_DISCOVERY_CUSTOM_EVT
> > >     AffinityTopologyVersion topVer;
> > >     IgniteUuid reqId; // Unique id of custom discovery message
> > > }
> > >
> > > *COORDINATOR CHANGE*
> > >
> > > All server nodes handle requests of service’s state changes and put it
> > > into deployment queue, but only coordinator process them. If
> > > coordinator left or fail they will be processed on new coordinator.
> > >
> > > *TOPOLOGY CHANGE*
> > >
> > > Each topology change (NODE_JOIN/LEFT/FAILED event) causes service's
> > > states deployment task. Assignments will be recalculated and applied
> > > for each deployed service.
> > >
> > > *CLUSTER ACTIVATION/DEACTIVATION*
> > >
> > > - On deactivation:
> > >     * local services are being undeployed;
> > >     * requests are not handling (including deployment / undeployment);
> > > - On activation:
> > >     * local services are being redeployed;
> > >     * requests are handling as usual;
> > >
> > > *RELATED LINKS*
> > >
> > >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/IEP-17%3A+Oil+Change+in+Service+Grid
> > >
> > http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Service-grid-redesign-td28521.html
> > >
> > >



-- 
Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.

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