Hi David, just to clarify, I think we can shred arrays with json
nulls without having to use untyped_value column, is this correct?

Selcuk

On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 11:31 PM David Cashman
<david.cash...@databricks.com.invalid> wrote:

> Hi Nick,
>
> Your understanding is correct. The null in the Variant spec is meant
> to encode a JSON null. A row-level value can be SQL null as in any
> nullable column, but within a Variant value, there is only the
> Variant-encoded null (i.e. JSON null). Some of the Spark expressions
> (e.g. cast to a non-Variant type) implicitly convert Variant null to
> SQL null.
>
> In the current version of the shredding spec, the intent is for null
> in a shredded column to represent a missing field. Variant null would
> need to be encoded in the "untyped_value" column. If JSON null is
> expected to be common, it might be reasonable to specify a mechanism
> to shred it (e.g. as a boolean column with a unique name).
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 11:38 AM Nick Riasanovsky <n...@bodo.ai> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > As it seems the Variant spec decisions are nearly finalized, I would
> like to ask a clarifying question regarding the difference between SQL Null
> (missing) and JSON Null. Reading through the Spark specification, source
> code, and also experimenting with Spark locally, it seems that the Variant
> type handles the difference between SQL Null and JSON Null at a row level
> and can successfully maintain this difference. However, it seems to me that
> it's never possible for contents of a variant value to contain a SQL Null
> value (only a JSON NULL), such as array(1, missing, 2). Since a variant
> value is recursive, there doesn't appear to be any way to encode a SQL NULL
> in the actual Variant value.
> >
> > If anyone has any insights that can confirm or reject my understanding,
> I'd greatly appreciate it. I'm trying to become more familiar with the
> Variant encoded and this seemed like it could be a potential "gotcha" once
> column shredding is supported.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nick Riasanovsky
>

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