I think the concerns with Metastore are twofold. One, it’s a common term in software, and thus would be hard to defend as a trademark. Hence Gopal’s link to the Debian package already named metastore. IANAL but as I understand trademark law the test is whether a name could cause a reasonable person to be confused as to who is offering a good or service. So a McDonalds tire store is ok, a reasonable person knows McDonalds sells food, not tires, but a restaurant named McDonnies that serves hamburgers isn’t. Whether IceWeasal (or any of the suggested names besides metastore) passes that test I don’t know. The board will require us to go through a namesearch as part of the TLP process.
If I understand Gopal’s second point it is that it will cause confusion for users as to whether this is still part of Hive or something separate. I think stressing the continuity is exactly what Vihang and Carl like about keeping the name. My suggestion would be that the project needs a name other than metastore, but we can call the module metastore. Having a more unique name is good for trademarks and helping users find your stuff via google, etc. (Go to Google and search on “Hive" to see what I mean here.) If we pick X as the project name, we can then refer to it as the X metastore, the maven modules can be x-metastore, etc. I think this strikes the balance between the benefits of a unique-ish name and telling users what it does and where it came from. Plus, IceWeasal is a _way_ cooler name for a project that metastore. :) Alan. On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:45 PM, Carl Steinbach <c...@apache.org> wrote: > "IceWeasel" and "MetaStore" are both examples of English compound words. > What exactly makes the former any safer than the latter? > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Gopal Vijayaraghavan <gop...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Changing the name isn't really optional or "being google-able" [2]. > > > > The naming is a crucial part of trademark protection [1], which is the > > only protection ASF has against hostile Embrace & Extends. > > > > Fragmented forks with the same name is particularly bad, especially if > the > > feature in question can be only used by a proprietary tool (like Dain's > > suggestion about Presto view metadata, except it only works with a > per-cpu > > license). > > > > The safe path isn't pretty, it still ends up with IcedTea and IceWeasel … > > but at least, those are clearly weird. > > > > Cheers, > > Gopal > > > > [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_moron_in_a_hurry#United_States > > [2] - https://packages.debian.org/jessie/misc/metastore > > > > On 7/24/17, 3:04 PM, "Carl Steinbach" <cwsteinb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > +1 to Vihang's suggestion. Changing the name will only cause > confusion. > > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Johndee Cloudera < > > john...@cloudera.com> > > wrote: > > > > > +1 Vihang, I do not really like Catalog as it could create > confusion > > with > > > the Catalog daemon from impala. > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Vihang Karajgaonkar < > > vih...@cloudera.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Before we see a flood of name suggestions :) Why not just keep it > > > > Metastore? Its already well-known in the community and easy to > > relate to. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Alan Gates < > alanfga...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > In the same vein Carter and Gunther suggested Omegastore. Pick > > your > > > > > alphabet and whether it’s a catalog or a store I guess. > > > > > > > > > > Alan. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Sergey Shelukhin < > > > > ser...@hortonworks.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I’d like to suggest ZCatalog. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17/7/11, 15:41, "Lefty Leverenz" <leftylever...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd like to suggest Riven. (Owen O'Malley) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> How about "Flora"? (Andrew Sherman) > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Nice idea and thanks for introducing me to that book, > Andrew. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Along the same lines, how about "Honeycomb"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >But since the idea is to make the metastore useful for many > > > projects, > > > > a > > > > > > >generic name that starts with "Meta" would be less confusing > > ... > > > even > > > > > > >though it breaks the tradition of Apache projects having > > quirky > > > names. > > > > > > >Unfortunately "Metalog" is already in use. "Metamorph" has > > other > > > > > > >connotations, but it's cool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Naming enthusiasm notwithstanding, I'm +/-0 on the idea of > > splitting > > > > off > > > > > > >the metastore into a new project: -0.5 for the sake of Hive > > and > > > +0.5 > > > > > for > > > > > > >the greater good. Wishy-washy, that's me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-- Lefty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Andrew Sherman < > > > > asher...@cloudera.com> > > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Owen O'Malley < > > > > > owen.omal...@gmail.com> > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Chao Sun < > > sunc...@apache.org> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > and maybe a different project name? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Yes, it certainly needs a new name. I'd like to suggest > > Riven. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > .. Owen > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> How about "Flora"? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> (Flora is the protagonist of The Bees by Laline Paull) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> -Andrew > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > - JRB > > > > > > > > > > > >
